ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber

[Nicholas]

Julie Mugford wanted to marry a man whom she suspected of killing his  parents, sister, and six year old twin nephews?   

And, don't forget he had dumped her--------------.

What’s dumping her got to do with doing the right thing?

[Myster]

Julie Mugford wanted to marry a man whom she suspected of killing his  parents, sister, and six year old twin nephews?   

And, don't forget he had dumped her--------------.

She was subject to an intense grilling on the witness stand which reduced her to tears at one point, and the jury believed her truths over Bamber's lies.

[Myster]

But Colin and Cressida are not forensic scientists. 

This series is a drama not a documentary with input from appropriately qualified people about a serious subject.

The producers know such a drama will pull in audiences and make money. 

I can understand Colin Caffell writing a book in the aftermath but I can't understand why he wishes to produce an updated version 3 decades on if not just to make money.  Why now?  Why did he not wish to get involved when CAL sought him out?

JB is serving a whole life sentence and until such time he can provide compelling new evidence to undermine his conviction he will not be going anywhere so what is the purpose of such a drama?

Are you denying Colin Caffell the right to vent his opinion and correct the lies that Bamber has promoted for 33 years?  Get involved with CAL in what capacity?... he already wrote to her expressing his viewpoint in Appendix II of her book.  And there's nothing like a good true crime drama... it's been done before in the 1990s so why not again now?

Perhaps in your defence of Bamber you agree with the vile sentiments he expressed to Colin Caffell...

[Myster]

The complete Lorraine interview thanks to Steve_uk... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUn9hIdNDVI&feature=youtu.be

Freddie Fox and Mark Addy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raJWfQQRwNs

[Nicholas]

“Carol Ann Lee, the author of The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family, told press that she contacted Bamber while he was in prison in the process of putting together her book.

She said at the programme’s launch that Bamber was not always forthcoming with details. Lee explained: ‘When I was writing the book on the case I corresponded with Jeremy for about three years, and at the end of that I handed all my material over to the [production] team. And Freddie [Fox] read all those letters.

The thing with Jeremy is he will tell you what he wants to tell you. There were many times when I asked questions and he would send back a 15-page, very interesting letter. And the last line would be, “Oh I’m so sorry I forgot to answer your question. Remind me in your next letter and I’ll answer it again.” ‘So the next letter would have about 10 of the last questions that he still hadn’t answered. You get what he wants you to get.’

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/08/white-house-farm-real-life-killer-now-alive-12017315/?ito=cbshare

[Caroline]

But Colin and Cressida are not forensic scientists. 

This series is a drama not a documentary with input from appropriately qualified people about a serious subject.

The producers know such a drama will pull in audiences and make money. 

I can understand Colin Caffell writing a book in the aftermath but I can't understand why he wishes to produce an updated version 3 decades on if not just to make money.  Why now?  Why did he not wish to get involved when CAL sought him out?

JB is serving a whole life sentence and until such time he can provide compelling new evidence to undermine his conviction he will not be going anywhere so what is the purpose of such a drama?

Jeremy and the CT are regularly in the news bleating on about new evidence - if Colin now wishes to readdress the balance, good on him. He has a right to comment and as he stated, the drama was going ahead anyway, so better to be part of it and have some input.

The drama is the result of CAL's book, but such things take a while to organise - his input is clearly the result of the book so the answer to you question is - he did.

[Caroline]

“Carol Ann Lee, the author of The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family, told press that she contacted Bamber while he was in prison in the process of putting together her book.

She said at the programme’s launch that Bamber was not always forthcoming with details. Lee explained: ‘When I was writing the book on the case I corresponded with Jeremy for about three years, and at the end of that I handed all my material over to the [production] team. And Freddie [Fox] read all those letters.

The thing with Jeremy is he will tell you what he wants to tell you. There were many times when I asked questions and he would send back a 15-page, very interesting letter. And the last line would be, “Oh I’m so sorry I forgot to answer your question. Remind me in your next letter and I’ll answer it again.” ‘So the next letter would have about 10 of the last questions that he still hadn’t answered. You get what he wants you to get.’

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/08/white-house-farm-real-life-killer-now-alive-12017315/?ito=cbshare

I have said the same thing and have basically been called a liar. Supporters just don't want to know the truth.

[Nicholas]

I have said the same thing and have basically been called a liar. Supporters just don't want to know the truth.

It’s the truth that keeps Bamber where he belongs

“I noticed in the later stage of our correspondence that when I asked him questions that were more searching of him, and where I’d found a couple of discrepancies, he would send a letter in which he would say ‘I’m really sorry I haven’t answered your questions’.

“I haven’t said it in the book but I feel he did not want to answer those questions because they were too difficult for him,” she adds.

There were only two occasions when Lee’s questions irritated him.

“One occasion came after I had taken a taxi into town and was told by the driver that he used to teach rugby at the prison.

"He said Jeremy never took part and described him as ‘the most evil man in Britain’.

"I asked Jeremy: ‘How does it feel to have someone describe you like that?’

"He told me that it hurts and said, ‘I’m not that person’.”

Lee is sanguine about her dealings with Jeremy.

“He clearly never believed I would remain impartial and of course it can never be a friendship.

“Speaking movingly about his family could have been a means to an end, and from the first letter, when he flattered me and said he had read one of my books, you do wonder about manipulation https://www.express.co.uk/news/history/595845/Inside-the-mind-of-a-murderer-Carol-Ann-Lee-Jeremy-Bamber

[John]

I have said the same thing and have basically been called a liar. Supporters just don't want to know the truth.

In their deluded minds I fear they think that if enough of them kick up a big enough fuss then Bamber will get out on a technicality.

[Nicholas]

I have said the same thing and have basically been called a liar. Supporters just don't want to know the truth.

Daisy said the same thing too..

Jeremy and I spoke on the phone two or three times a week and I sent him a generous monthly allowance.  We shared our hopes and dreams and I always told him he was an extended part of my family.  I just wanted him to feel that he belonged and I told him I would always support him no matter what.  He always told me I was one of his closest friends and one of the only people he could trust.  When I went on holiday, he made me promise to email him, he always phoned me on Christmas day and I truly believed our friendship was genuine.  I continued to do whatever I could to help him, even tracking down a retired senior Essex Police Officer for his help which he initially said he would do, then asked me never to contact him again!  Jeremy has sent me many documents which have never been in the public domain but I can say that none of them absolutely proved his innocence. There is one though, which indicates that there MAY have been life inside the house while Jeremy was outside but that needs investigating further.
Jeremy is witty, makes me laugh and usually cheeful in spite of the conditions he lives under. I discovered though that he has a dark side.  He was often very evasive when I asked him questions about the case and if I ever disagreed with a piece of evidence or events, he would turn on me and shout and swear. He told me lots of lies and in the end I took everything he said with a pinch of salt.  On my birthday last year, he sent me a lovely card telling me what a special friend I was and he promised to be with me to celebrate in 2014.  Then things changed drasticall between us. . . . . . . .

I hear what you are saying Holly but there is a difference between offloading on friends and being controlling, manipulative and abusive.  No one treats their friends like that.  This is certainly not the way to behave if you claim to be a MOJ.  Jeremy comes from a decent family and had an excellent education and should have been taught basic manners.
Also you say you would never become involved with a person in his position.  Well, he is no different to the rest of us - he is just locked away.  If we didn't become emotionally involved with our friends then we would all be robots!

When we look back at his life before and shortly after the murders he was described as arrogant and controlling.  It seems he hasn't changed and is losing friends left right and centre.  I have been to the highest level and take it from me MOJ or not, Jeremy is never ever going to be released.

[Nicholas]

Julie Mugford wanted to marry a man whom she suspected of killing his  parents, sister, and six year old twin nephews?   

Where has it been suggested she wanted to marry Bamber following the murders?

[mrswah]

“The drama also stars Alexa Davies, from Rhyl, as Jeremy Bamber's girlfriend at the time of the murders, who played an important role in the investigation.

Davies portrays Julie Mugford in the ITV series. Her second statement to police in September 1985 led to the arrest of Bamber.

In this statement, which reportedly differed from her initial account, Mugford alleged her boyfriend had been planning to kill his family.

The situation was complicated for the 20-year-old though, as expressed recently by Davies - who is best known for her role in 2018's Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again.

The 24-year-old said Mugford had "so many things to consider" and was ultimately "left with this choice to make."

She said the choices were between "doing the right thing and go to the police even though she had no evidence and didn't really have any reason to think anyone would believe her," and "keeping it to herself for the rest of her life, which would be a very selfish thing to do.

She added: "But she was 20 and in love and just wanted to get married and to have her life with this man."

The six-part series has been described by ITV bosses as a "fascinating insight" into what happened on that fateful night in 1985.

Speaking to the RadioTimes, she said: "From reading the scripts and research and meeting Paul [Whittington, the director], there are so many layers to this story and so many layers to her."

Willow Grylls, executive producer for New Pictures, said: "This notorious case has been the subject of much debate, and our programme focuses on the impact of the human tragedy."

And writer Kris Mrksa added: "This is an incredibly compelling true crime story, but it's the human dimension of these events that gripped my imagination, particularly after reading Colin Caffell’s book.

"So much discussion of the case has focused on contested legal details, but I wanted to tell this story in a way that did justice to the devastating emotional truth of what happened."

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/white-house-farm-murders-drama-17523954

I was referring to this! 

"But she was 20 and in love and just wanted to get married and have her life with this man"

Yet she suspected him of having carried out the murders-----------??

Might not be true, of course: it might just be the opinion of the actress who is playing Julie.

[Nicholas]

I was referring to this! 

"But she was 20 and in love and just wanted to get married and have her life with this man"

Yet she suspected him of having carried out the murders-----------??

Might not be true, of course: it might just be the opinion of the actress who is playing Julie.

There’s no might about it - it IS the opinion of the actress!

[Nicholas]

I was referring to this! 

"But she was 20 and in love and just wanted to get married and have her life with this man"

Yet she suspected him of having carried out the murders-----------??

Might not be true, of course: it might just be the opinion of the actress who is playing Julie.

Julie Mugford appears to have had a trauma bond with Bamber.

If you listen to her interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw @ around 16.30 she says from around Christmas 84 Bamber had talked about poisoning his family and of burning the house down. She goes on to say ‘He used to say things to shock people” these ‘off hand comments’ were narcissistic Bambers psychologically abusive personality traits which Julie Mugford appears to have ‘brushed off’

“Trauma bonds and cognitive dissonance tend to override the type of logic needed to get out of a toxic relationship”

https://www.quora.com/Can-cognitive-dissonance-and-trauma-bonding-work-together-to-make-it-difficult-for-a-victim-to-leave-their-narcissistic-abuser

Julie Mugford was in a relationship with a pathological individual; these types of relationships differ from relationships with non pathological individuals

[Nicholas]

If you listen to her interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw @ around 16.30 she says from around Christmas 84 Bamber had talked about poisoning his family and of burning the house down. She goes on to say ‘He used to say things to shock people”

Comments like this by Bamber may well have set off alarm bells in the mind of 20 year old Julie Mugford but by this time she appears to have already been under his spell and hooked in.

“Sometimes we deceive ourselves, we make excuses, we change who we are, we give up on ourselves even and to our families, we explain it away”

And this it what it seems Julie Mugford did