Should SY set up a special unit to investigate ALL missing child cases?

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was you who sent it off topic with this post

 ‘So you are against taxpayers money being spent on the search for either Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham then, even if there is clear evidence that initial investigations were flawed and even if there is a chance that one or both children may still be alive?’

Please try to resist doing so in future.

That post was on topic - the topic is should SY set up a special unit to investigate ALL missing children.  Another poster suggested that this should be limited to missing cases in the UK only, hence my question.
ETA: you're clearly not interested in this topic and would prefer to discuss your own agenda, so why not start a new thread about it?

[faithlilly]

That post was on topic - the topic is should SY set up a special unit to investigate ALL missing children.  Another poster suggested that this should be limited to missing cases in the UK only, hence my question.
ETA: you're clearly not interested in this topic and would prefer to discuss your own agenda, so why not start a new thread about it?

Then we’ll have to agree to differ. I see your post as a thinly veiled attempt to give the PJ yet another kicking.....but that maybe just me.

[Robittybob1]

Back to the topic please?  Is it not time that Scotland Yard set up a special unit to look at ALL missing person cases equally?

Define missing child?  Define missing person?  If it appears they have disappeared to enter a war zone - case closed.  If they have gone back to home countries for family or religious reasons - case closed.  If the have been abducted by a biological parent - case closed.   Some would be cleared up, and the funds not used on them could go toward the more difficult to close cases e.g The McCann case.

[jassi]

Back to the topic please?  Is it not time that Scotland Yard set up a special unit to look at ALL missing person cases equally?

Define missing child?  Define missing person?  If it appears they have disappeared to enter a war zone - case closed.  If they have gone back to home countries for family or religious reasons - case closed.  If the have been abducted by a biological parent - case closed.   Some would be cleared up, and the funds not used on them could go toward the more difficult to close cases e.g The McCann case.

Until the last sentence, I was agreeing with you. However there will always be  new cases requiring investigation, so there will not be funds available to divert to older cases

[Alice Purjorick]

Back to the topic please?  Is it not time that Scotland Yard set up a special unit to look at ALL missing person cases equally?

Define missing child?  Define missing person?  If it appears they have disappeared to enter a war zone - case closed.  If they have gone back to home countries for family or religious reasons - case closed.  If the have been abducted by a biological parent - case closed.   Some would be cleared up, and the funds not used on them could go toward the more difficult to close cases e.g The McCann case.

There was a time, until the mid to late 1960s, as I recall, when all murders and most serious crimes committed in England and Wales were investigated by officers from New Scotland Yard. Mainly one suspects because The MPS being the largest police force in the land had more specialists to play with. The Met. involvement decreased when powers were devolved to Major Regional Crime Units which maintained a full policing service. New Scoltland Yard cannot just "trunk in" where they fancy; like vampires they must be invited in.

[Angelo222]

Back to the topic please?  Is it not time that Scotland Yard set up a special unit to look at ALL missing person cases equally?

Define missing child?  Define missing person?  If it appears they have disappeared to enter a war zone - case closed.  If they have gone back to home countries for family or religious reasons - case closed.  If the have been abducted by a biological parent - case closed.   Some would be cleared up, and the funds not used on them could go toward the more difficult to close cases e.g The McCann case.

More or less what I said yesterday before the racist card was pulled out.  There are a number of children listed in the forum's missing children page who seem to have been forgotten completely by the investigating authorities.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=82.0
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7789.0

[Vertigo Swirl]

Then we’ll have to agree to differ. I see your post as a thinly veiled attempt to give the PJ yet another kicking.....but that maybe just me.

I think everyone (including the PJ) realise that the initial investigation was flawed, no need to take it personally. 

[faithlilly]

I think everyone (including the PJ) realise that the initial investigation was flawed, no need to take it personally.

Of course you have a cite for the PJ realising that the initial investigation was flawed ?

[John]

More or less what I said yesterday before the racist card was pulled out.  There are a number of children listed in the forum's missing children page who seem to have been forgotten completely by the investigating authorities.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=82.0
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7789.0

How many millions have been spent looking for these children?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7789.0

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course you have a cite for the PJ realising that the initial investigation was flawed ?

No, not on me right now , but Amaral for one has admitted there were failings, and he was in the PJ wasn't he?  I'm sure someone with more time than I have right now will be able to find the link if necessary.  If not, I will happily oblige this evening.

[Robittybob1]

No, not on me right now , but Amaral for one has admitted there were failings, and he was in the PJ wasn't he?  I'm sure someone with more time than I have right now will be able to find the link if necessary.  If not, I will happily oblige this evening.

The first criticism of the the McCann case came from Kate when she asked John Hill when are the police arriving.
Later there was criticism of the the number of people that had been in the apartment.  The lack of detail to contamination by the police was criticised by the PJ themselves.

[Robittybob1]

With the high proportion of missing children due in some way to the actions of the parents and people known to the parents,  the home of the missing child needs  to be made  forensically secure.

I can see the problem here being the people who are needed to report the missing kids, if they are involved, are then going to spend a bit more effort tidying up, and delay reporting the child missing, but I think it is still the best way.  There seems to have a whole series of issues though for it would mean displacing a family every time a child or person went missing.  Impound all the family vehicles too. 

[Brietta]

With the high proportion of missing children due in some way to the actions of the parents and people known to the parents,  the home of the missing child needs  to be made  forensically secure.

I can see the problem here being the people who are needed to report the missing kids, if they are involved, are then going to spend a bit more effort tidying up, and delay reporting the child missing, but I think it is still the best way.  There seems to have a whole series of issues though for it would mean displacing a family every time a child or person went missing.  Impound all the family vehicles too.

Madeleine's case is a one off and has been so for the past eleven years.  Lessons have indeed been learned from it.

I have read a paper by the Portuguese academic Helen Machado who conducted a study among Portuguese criminals some of whom had gained a greater understanding of police methods and the use of forensics as a direct result of media exposure of the details of Madeleine's case.

Therefore I am sure that if even the criminals have learned something from Madeleine's case, law enforcement will have been no less remiss in learning lessons and I would expect never again to see a missing child case conducted as Madeleine's was.
As proved by the speedy response of the police when a seven year old went missing in Luz last year.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4736208/British-boy-goes-missing-Praia-da-Luz.html

[Lace]

I thought they did have a special unit set up to investigate missing children?   I know they say that no child is ever forgotten,  and that has been proven with some being solved that have been years old.   The police say if there is any new credible evidence,  the case of any child will be reopened and the evidence will be investigated.   That is what happened in Madeleine's case.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course you have a cite for the PJ realising that the initial investigation was flawed ?

Here you go: Amaral's 'fessing up to the flawed investigation "we were too honest", "we were too nice", "we were too naive", etc etc.  Well it's one set of reasons anyway....

http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-milestone-amaral-agrees-%E2%80%9Csome-things-we-did-weren%E2%80%99t-right%E2%80%9D