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Offline Robin Banks

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #135 on: May 14, 2018, 10:30:45 PM »
"Kate McCann say's she can see the twins in their cot, does she mean one cot or two cot's."  Two cots.

"If there is a light in the vicinity of where Kate was standing behind the bedroom door then the first light in the bedroom would be along side the bedroom wall that Maddie was lying next to, the wall which Maddie's bed lay length ways and the foot of the bed being  close to the door."

I agree about the "the foot of the bed being  close to the door" but the rest is incorrect.

"Light is a little bit like human vision it can sometimes act in a similar way.  As I have stated several times, when opening a door further and further a bigger picture of whats behind the door is formed.  Light is exactly the same."  Not exactly physics.

So what's your problem?

Go open any door that leads to a dark room and tell me what you see first.

Offline Robin Banks

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #136 on: May 14, 2018, 10:32:00 PM »
Assessing evidence is a real eye opener.. It's something I do on a daily basis... I reckon I'm pretty good at it

You provide a cite last night that simply did not support your case.

Remind me
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Offline Robin Banks

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #137 on: May 14, 2018, 10:34:15 PM »
Indeed, but we can also read what Gerry has to say about him looking in the bedroom he saw Madeleine, had a proud dad moment, but never mentioned the twins- seeing them  when he looked in. So where is this light coming from. if it was windy and the 'abductor is quite near with his jemmy tool wating to get in grab Maddie  to be seen by Jane Tanner as she passed Gerry... yeah fast worker this 'abductor'...

I mentioned this in an earlier post on this thread, but thanks for reminding others.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #138 on: May 14, 2018, 10:50:06 PM »
So what's your problem?

Go open any door that leads to a dark room and tell me what you see first.
My problem is your physics.

"Go open any door that leads to a dark room and tell me what you see first."  how much light back lights the area you are looking at?  How close to the door are you standing?

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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #139 on: May 14, 2018, 10:52:19 PM »
This something I do not understand.

The Tapas group made comments about how KMcC discussed she was concerned about MBM at the dinner table that night.

E.g.

FP Rogatory:

1485
 'Alright. Do you recall on the Tuesday night, I believe, Madeleine crying or somebody from the McCANN's apartment crying''
 
 Reply
 'I thought that was Wednesday night. You see, I mean, I only knew about that because on Thursday night Kate had said, erm, as we were chatting at the table 'Oh', you know, 'I wonder', you know, 'what', 'what she cried about' or, you know, she'd asked Madeleine, erm, because I think Madeleine had said something 'Where were you mummy, me and Sean cried' and, you know, 'where were you' and that had obviously worried Kate and she couldn't get anything more out of Madeleine, Madeleine had sort of moved on and, you know, didn't say anything more than that and wouldn't say, you know, whether she'd heard anything or been woken up or whether she had just woken up herself'
 
 1485
 'Yeah'.
 
 Reply
 'So that was on her mind'.
 
 1485
 'Right. So Kate told you that that happened on the Wednesday''
 
 Reply
 'Well she told me about it on the Thursday'.
 
  1485
 'Told you on the Thursday, yeah'.
 
 Reply
 'So, yeah, thinking now, I just was thinking it was the Wednesday night'.
 
 00.12.42
 1485
 'But you can't remember whether she said it was Wednesday night that it happened''
 
 Reply
 'No, I can't say that she said it was the night before'.
 
 
 1485
 'Right'.
 
  Reply
'But I know I heard about it on the Thursday night when we were sat, sat down'.

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I do not really understand why KMcC did not immediately check on MBM when she saw the door open - given that she had discussed concerns with the Tapas group at the table.

I'm not reading a lot into it, but it appears incongruous given the concerns expressed earlier not to make a proper check as soon as the door was seen to be open. It is arguable that delegating a check to MO, when you had concerns, was not the most appropriate option if there were concerns.

This really is the saddest (from little Maddies point of view) to the strangest of situations ever in this whole sorry story. [I always try and  look at these threads with Maddies view of things].
Madeleine was upset her parents left them alone, she pointed this out and yet, the selfish parents ignored her, and did the same thing the very next night. Now the parents knew the children were waking up during the night when they were out, What were they thinking..

I also find Kate telling this story to be strange- there is no beginning and no end to it? just a couple of brief words from Madeleine which came out of no where for no reason?
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Robin Banks

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #140 on: May 14, 2018, 10:55:08 PM »
My problem is your physics.

"Go open any door that leads to a dark room and tell me what you see first."  how much light back lights the area you are looking at?  How close to the door are you standing?

Maybe watch the video again and then watch it again and again and again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #141 on: May 14, 2018, 11:00:30 PM »
Maybe watch the video again and then watch it again and again and again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw
Well Kate tells you she could see Sean and Amelie but not Madeleine.  Then she went into the room and the curtains whooshed.
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Offline Robin Banks

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #142 on: May 14, 2018, 11:07:23 PM »
This really is the saddest (from little Maddies point of view) to the strangest of situations ever in this whole sorry story. [I always try and  look at these threads with Maddies view of things].
Madeleine was upset her parents left them alone, she pointed this out and yet, the selfish parents ignored her, and did the same thing the very next night. Now the parents knew the children were waking up during the night when they were out, What were they thinking..

I also find Kate telling this story to be strange- there is no beginning and no end to it? just a couple of brief words from Madeleine which came out of no where for no reason?

I disbelieved  this statement as a red herring and I still do.


Offline Robin Banks

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #143 on: May 14, 2018, 11:13:06 PM »
Well Kate tells you she could see Sean and Amelie but not Madeleine.  Then she went into the room and the curtains whooshed.

Like I have said before, Gerry didn't have a problem seeing Maddie sleeping in her bed but no mention of the twins earlier, so why the big problem with Kate seeing Maddie's bed

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #144 on: May 14, 2018, 11:15:24 PM »
I disbelieved  this statement as a red herring and I still do.
Fiona said "'But I know I heard about it on the Thursday night when we were sat, sat down'."  How can that be a red herring?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #145 on: May 14, 2018, 11:18:33 PM »
Like I have said before, Gerry didn't have a problem seeing Maddie sleeping in her bed but no mention of the twins earlier, so why the big problem with Kate seeing Maddie's bed
As I proved in a previous thread Gerry didn't hesitate to turn on the light, but Kate admits she didn't turn on the lights for she didn't want to wake the kids.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7981.msg387925#msg387925

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7846.msg371270#msg371270
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Offline Robin Banks

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #147 on: May 14, 2018, 11:34:43 PM »
As I proved in a previous thread Gerry didn't hesitate to turn on the light, but Kate admits she didn't turn on the lights for she didn't want to wake the kids.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7981.msg387925#msg387925

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7846.msg371270#msg371270

Only if you believe this, ask yourself why you would switch a light on which could wake 3 sleeping children potentially and causing them  to get distressed and disturbed and start to cry , you wouldn't.

Parents don't do that, they have no reason to do that.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #148 on: May 14, 2018, 11:36:31 PM »
As I proved in a previous thread Gerry didn't hesitate to turn on the light, but Kate admits she didn't turn on the lights for she didn't want to wake the kids.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7981.msg387925#msg387925

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7846.msg371270#msg371270

Gerry has never said he turned on the light. He said in the reconstruction to Matt that he went through the patio side because it was quiet and the front way was not i.e. not to disturb the children and wake them so turning on a light to possibly wake them does not add up! It is a total contradiction!

Nothing in his statement about turning on the bedroom light.

"they entered the apartment, in which one of the lounge lights was lit.

Asked, he relates that during the night the artificial light coming in from the outside is very weak, because, without a light being on in the lounge or the kitchen, the visibility inside the bedroom is much reduced.

In this way he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and is certain of this, that the three were sleeping deeply. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, [then] going to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the blinds, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the lounge."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robin Banks

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #149 on: May 14, 2018, 11:57:28 PM »
Gerry has never said he turned on the light. He said in the reconstruction to Matt that he went through the patio side because it was quiet and the front way was not i.e. not to disturb the children and wake them so turning on a light to possibly wake them does not add up! It is a total contradiction!

Nothing in his statement about turning on the bedroom light.

"they entered the apartment, in which one of the lounge lights was lit.

Asked, he relates that during the night the artificial light coming in from the outside is very weak, because, without a light being on in the lounge or the kitchen, the visibility inside the bedroom is much reduced.

In this way he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and is certain of this, that the three were sleeping deeply. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, [then] going to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the blinds, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the lounge."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

So how did Gerry see all this and Kate didn't?