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Offline jassi

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #270 on: May 16, 2018, 11:08:56 AM »
So why didn't the door slam shut as soon as she came in - or had already slammed shut before she entered.

Theoretically the door was too wide open to be affected by any wind and only when it was almost closed did the wind have any effect.
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Offline kizzy

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #271 on: May 16, 2018, 11:23:40 AM »
Theoretically the door was too wide open to be affected by any wind and only when it was almost closed did the wind have any effect.

well i think that would be if it was flat against the wall - otherwise if not it would slam.


Offline jassi

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #272 on: May 16, 2018, 11:31:07 AM »
well i think that would be if it was flat against the wall - otherwise if not it would slam.

Think it would depend upon the strength of the wind.
We have no idea about the position of the door, other than what Kate says.
I would have thought that opening the patio door might cause sufficient draft, but I wasn't there to observe.
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Offline John

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #273 on: May 16, 2018, 11:37:34 AM »
My eyes must be getting worse.  But you are right I zoomed in and I can see a police tape across the car park.
That photo is so interesting considering who might be taking the photo and who is in the foreground. 
IMO it has captured suspect #1.  I can't be sure, but it is really odd.


It was also taken from a position identified by Heriberto as offering a good overall view of everyone coming and going to block 5.  A private apartment block called Edificio Crystaluz Lote 3.

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Offline kizzy

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #274 on: May 16, 2018, 11:46:14 AM »
Think it would depend upon the strength of the wind.
We have no idea about the position of the door, other than what Kate says.
I would have thought that opening the patio door might cause sufficient draft, but I wasn't there to observe.

Was open much further than they left it, but not wide open -

Wouldn't you have thought the first instinct would have been to check maddie - as it could have been her who got out of bed and opened it.

Offline jassi

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #275 on: May 16, 2018, 11:53:45 AM »
Was open much further than they left it, but not wide open -

Wouldn't you have thought the first instinct would have been to check maddie - as it could have been her who got out of bed and opened it.

Well yes you would, but not apparently Kate McCann.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #276 on: May 16, 2018, 12:33:01 PM »
well i think that would be if it was flat against the wall - otherwise if not it would slam.
It wasn't a howling gale that night!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #277 on: May 16, 2018, 12:43:18 PM »
https://www.google.com/search?q=interior+of+5A++Mccann&safe=off&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj__evP64nbAhVE_qQKHViHBlkQ_AUICigB&biw=1277&bih=760#imgdii=2f0MzmfCaRza7M:&imgrc=l1xoDISuGXVjiM:

"Door B shows entrance to children's bedroom and door A points to the entrance to the apartment."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041216/Pictured-The-bedroom-Madeleine-McCann-vanished-Portugal.html#ixzz5FfE6wcKv


When you understand the position of that lamp in the lounge one can really understand why Kate and Matt could see the twins but not around the corner to where Madeleine slept.
Thanking you for that help Jassi.

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #278 on: May 16, 2018, 12:45:29 PM »
It wasn't a howling gale that night!

What force was required to move the door from its position of equilibrium then?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #279 on: May 16, 2018, 01:28:09 PM »
What force was required to move the door from its position of equilibrium then?
Kate herself started the door moving.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #280 on: May 16, 2018, 01:37:18 PM »
Kate herself started the door moving.

That does not address the question posed.
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Offline jassi

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #281 on: May 16, 2018, 01:40:18 PM »
Kate herself started the door moving.

No, she had carefully  reset it in to the position of her preference. The door was thus stationary.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #282 on: May 16, 2018, 02:11:32 PM »
"Door B shows entrance to children's bedroom and door A points to the entrance to the apartment."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041216/Pictured-The-bedroom-Madeleine-McCann-vanished-Portugal.html#ixzz5FfE6wcKv


When you understand the position of that lamp in the lounge one can really understand why Kate and Matt could see the twins but not around the corner to where Madeleine slept.
Thanking you for that help Jassi.

According to Matthew only one light was on in the apartment and it wasn't that one.

I think there was a sofa here and a sofa here, it's either one of those two corners, it was a vague memory of it, that there was like a sort of little side light, a sort of reading light that was on'.
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Offline Robin Banks

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #283 on: May 16, 2018, 02:24:04 PM »
"Door B shows entrance to children's bedroom and door A points to the entrance to the apartment."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041216/Pictured-The-bedroom-Madeleine-McCann-vanished-Portugal.html#ixzz5FfE6wcKv


When you understand the position of that lamp in the lounge one can really understand why Kate and Matt could see the twins but not around the corner to where Madeleine slept.
Thanking you for that help Jassi.

There are two lamps in the lounge, one standing just outside the alcove and one sitting on a shelf, If the McCanns left the standing lamp on then light would have entered the bedroom.  However if they left the small table lamp on which was being obstructed by the kitchen hatch. then no light from the lounge would reach the children's bedroom.  Kate say's herself that she didn't want to put the light on just in case she woke the children,  which tells me the children sleep in darkness so the small table lamp would be sufficient enough. 

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom
« Reply #284 on: May 16, 2018, 03:11:50 PM »
It was also taken from a position identified by Heriberto as offering a good overall view of everyone coming and going to block 5. A private apartment block called Edificio Crystaluz Lote 3.

If this is a good view what did the poor view look like?
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