What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom

[pathfinder73]

There are two lamps in the lounge, one standing just outside the alcove and one sitting on a shelf, If the McCanns left the standing lamp on then light would have entered the bedroom.  However if they left the small table lamp on which was being obstructed by the kitchen hatch. then no light from the lounge would reach the children's bedroom.  Kate say's herself that she didn't want to put the light on just in case she woke the children,  which tells me the children sleep in darkness so the small table lamp would be sufficient enough.

The standing lamp in the lounge was on.

[Robin Banks]

The standing lamp in the lounge was on.

Mathew Oldfield describes a table lamp.

[Robittybob1]

No, she had carefully  reset it in to the position of her preference. The door was thus stationary.

well whether it was stationary or still in the motion of being reset is a moot point.  From what I have heard her say the two actions happened very close temporarily.

[Robittybob1]

According to Matthew only one light was on in the apartment and it wasn't that one.

I think there was a sofa here and a sofa here, it's either one of those two corners, it was a vague memory of it, that there was like a sort of little side light, a sort of reading light that was on'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

I can't see how you say that disproves it.

[Robittybob1]

If this is a good view what did the poor view look like?

A view from Jez Wilkins's balcony would be a poor view as you only get to see one side of the apartment.

[Robittybob1]

Mathew Oldfield describes a table lamp.

How do you know.  Are you backing what Matt Oldfield says 100%?  I know a lot of people have doubts about Matt's check.

[Brietta]

The standing lamp in the lounge was on.

Is there a cite for that?

Looking at it logically I would assume the standing  lamp is the obvious candidate for anyone using the patio door ~ it would illuminate the whole room.  I think somewhere it was said the bedroom door had been pulled over to cut the light from the lamp? if so the standing lamp is my candidate ... also did Matthew not browse some books?  Couldn't have done that in the dark.

[Brietta]

Theoretically the door was too wide open to be affected by any wind and only when it was almost closed did the wind have any effect.

Thanks for that Jassie.  Quite frankly I don't have a definitive answer but I think that sounds about right.  Kate's action was the catalyst.

[Robin Banks]

How do you know.  Are you backing what Matt Oldfield says 100%?  I know a lot of people have doubts about Matt's check.

Well I believe him about the table lamp being on the right hand side when he walked into the apartment, it's in the photo.  He didn't mention the small table lamp on the kitchen hatch, he's talking about the small table lamp that's next to the sliding doors.  Gosh, the light gets further and further.

 So I went back and did the check on five 'A', on Madeleine and the kids, erm, and went back through the patio entrance, so through the gate, through the patio doors, erm, there was, it was light enough to see through the apartment and there sort of a little table light on the right at the end of the sofa and when you walk into the room, you could see straight into it, because the door was open.

[Robittybob1]

Is there a cite for that?

Looking at it logically I would assume the standing  lamp is the obvious candidate for anyone using the patio door ~ it would illuminate the whole room.  I think somewhere it was said the bedroom door had been pulled over to cut the light from the lamp? if so the standing lamp is my candidate ... also did Matthew not browse some books?  Couldn't have done that in the dark.

Matt admits his memory of the situation is poor
" from the rogatory:  "4078 'And you have walked through the apartment and you said there was a light on''
Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'A lamp, sorry, a table lamp''
Reply 'Yeah, I think sort of, there was like a little sort of round sort of table like this and then, erm, sort of a small lamp'.
 
4078 'So, as you go though there, whereabouts would the lamp be''
Reply 'So you come in, the steps would bring you up to this end of the patio, oh sorry, that's the side street so it comes up to this bit and you go in through (inaudible), erm, I'm not sure which one of those, I think it was this left one here and there's sort of like, erm, a sort of a book shelf here'.
 
4078 'Is that the one that you looked at to see what books''
Reply 'Yeah, and there was, I think there was a sofa here and a sofa here, it's either one of those two corners, it was a vague memory of it, that there was like a sort of little side light, a sort of reading light that was on'.
 
4078 'Okay'.
Reply 'Erm, then as you approach this, because of this wall here, you approach the room pretty much, you had to go in from that angle, so you get a clear view right into the middle of the room. "

The physics of that tell me the lamp was placed in a position that when the door was open it gave "a clear view right into the middle of the room".  That is something only the standing light will do.

[Robin Banks]

Matt admits his memory of the situation is poor
" from the rogatory:  "4078 'And you have walked through the apartment and you said there was a light on''
Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'A lamp, sorry, a table lamp''
Reply 'Yeah, I think sort of, there was like a little sort of round sort of table like this and then, erm, sort of a small lamp'.
 
4078 'So, as you go though there, whereabouts would the lamp be''
Reply 'So you come in, the steps would bring you up to this end of the patio, oh sorry, that's the side street so it comes up to this bit and you go in through (inaudible), erm, I'm not sure which one of those, I think it was this left one here and there's sort of like, erm, a sort of a book shelf here'.
 
4078 'Is that the one that you looked at to see what books''
Reply 'Yeah, and there was, I think there was a sofa here and a sofa here, it's either one of those two corners, it was a vague memory of it, that there was like a sort of little side light, a sort of reading light that was on'.
 
4078 'Okay'.
Reply 'Erm, then as you approach this, because of this wall here, you approach the room pretty much, you had to go in from that angle, so you get a clear view right into the middle of the room. "

The physics of that tell me the lamp was placed in a position that when the door was open it gave "a clear view right into the middle of the room".  That is something only the standing light will do.

Well he didn't say that in his interview on April 9th 2008.

[Robittybob1]

Well he didn't say that in his interview on April 9th 2008.

Well what did he say then?  In his 10th May 2007 interview he says the following   "That he did not enter the bedroom where MBM and the twins were sleeping. He recalls that the bedroom door was half open, making an angle of 50 degrees. He does not know how far away he was from the bedroom door. He recalls having the perception that the window curtains - green in colour - were drawn closed but could not determine if the window was closed or open. Concerning the external blinds he clarifies that he did not see if it was closed or open. He recalls having thought that in that bedroom there was more brightness than there was in his daughter's room (where the external blinds were always fully closed), adding to have had the feeling that that light was coming from the outside - making the point that both were turned in the same direction.

Consequently, he admits the possibility of the light he was perceiving was owing to the blinds being raised, denying however that he was capable of assessing the height at which it may have been.

The question asked, he was sure that, at the time of his first being in the vicinity of MBM's bedroom, reported as 21h05 in the course of which he had approached the the window of that bedroom from the outside for the purpose of an auditory check, the blinds were, in his view, fully closed.

Consequently, he is convinced that at the time of the second check the blinds were more open than on the first check, given that he considers that the light inside the bedroom, undoubtedly coming from the outside, could not have been coming through it [the blinds] if they had been fully closed."

The physics of that means that as he approached the door he would have blocked the light from the lamp yet he sense more light in the room that was coming from the outside.  [But it doesn't  register as odd at the time.]

[Robittybob1]

Well he didn't say that in his interview on April 9th 2008.

Wrong again for that is exactly where it came from.  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm  "WEDNESDAY 09 APRIL 2008"

[Robin Banks]

Well what did he say then?  In his 10th May 2007 interview he says the following   "That he did not enter the bedroom where MBM and the twins were sleeping. He recalls that the bedroom door was half open, making an angle of 50 degrees. He does not know how far away he was from the bedroom door. He recalls having the perception that the window curtains - green in colour - were drawn closed but could not determine if the window was closed or open. Concerning the external blinds he clarifies that he did not see if it was closed or open. He recalls having thought that in that bedroom there was more brightness than there was in his daughter's room (where the external blinds were always fully closed), adding to have had the feeling that that light was coming from the outside - making the point that both were turned in the same direction.

Consequently, he admits the possibility of the light he was perceiving was owing to the blinds being raised, denying however that he was capable of assessing the height at which it may have been.

The question asked, he was sure that, at the time of his first being in the vicinity of MBM's bedroom, reported as 21h05 in the course of which he had approached the the window of that bedroom from the outside for the purpose of an auditory check, the blinds were, in his view, fully closed.

Consequently, he is convinced that at the time of the second check the blinds were more open than on the first check, given that he considers that the light inside the bedroom, undoubtedly coming from the outside, could not have been coming through it [the blinds] if they had been fully closed."

The physics of that means that as he approached the door he would have blocked the light from the lamp yet he sense more light in the room that was coming from the outside.  [But it doesn't  register as odd at the time.]

 So I went back and did the check on five 'A', on Madeleine and the kids, erm, and went back through the patio entrance, so through the gate, through the patio doors, erm, there was, it was light enough to see through the apartment and there sort of a little table light on the right at the end of the sofa and when you walk into the room, you could see straight into it, because the door was open.

[Robittybob1]

Well I believe him about the table lamp being on the right hand side when he walked into the apartment, it's in the photo.  He didn't mention the small table lamp on the kitchen hatch, he's talking about the small table lamp that's next to the sliding doors.  Gosh, the light gets further and further.

 So I went back and did the check on five 'A', on Madeleine and the kids, erm, and went back through the patio entrance, so through the gate, through the patio doors, erm, there was, it was light enough to see through the apartment and there sort of a little table light on the right at the end of the sofa and when you walk into the room, you could see straight into it, because the door was open.

OK it could have been that reading lamp or the standing one but both appear to be inline with each other and capable to lighting up the kids bedroom.  In the photos that light appear switched off.  I find that strange that someone would switch the reading lamp off.