What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom

[kmoore1967]

Hello, I am new here but I wanted to throw this in regarding the window.

Here is what gets me, since Russell was apparently in his apartment with the kids at 9 pm, but also in his apartment with a sick kid from 9-9:30 and someone took him his dinner...or he ate it there, why did Jane go check on Russell at 9:15? Didn't she trust Russell alone?

It doesn't make sense that the sliding glass door would be open if Gerry used his key at 9, but Kate might have gone through the sliding door.

Since Matthew Oldfield apparently got up at 9:30 to check on the kids, that's AFTER Jane checked on Russell and claimed to see the man carrying the child. Now, if the man WAS carrying the child in that manner, then how did he climb out the window with her?

Kate wouldn't see anything unless she turned the light on first. The curtains were tucked behind the bed and the chair. I do not recall her saying that she turned the light on, I think it assumed that she did at that moment.

 OK maybe she didn't want to wake the kids up, but the subsequent turning on the light for the search, the twins did not wake up.

So in my opinion, she would not have seen anything unless the light was on. Anyway, that's my opinion.

[faithlilly]

Hello, I am new here but I wanted to throw this in regarding the window.

Here is what gets me, since Russell was apparently in his apartment with the kids at 9 pm, but also in his apartment with a sick kid from 9-9:30 and someone took him his dinner...or he ate it there, why did Jane go check on Russell at 9:15? Didn't she trust Russell alone?

It doesn't make sense that the sliding glass door would be open if Gerry used his key at 9, but Kate might have gone through the sliding door.

Since Matthew Oldfield apparently got up at 9:30 to check on the kids, that's AFTER Jane checked on Russell and claimed to see the man carrying the child. Now, if the man WAS carrying the child in that manner, then how did he climb out the window with her?

Kate wouldn't see anything unless she turned the light on first. The curtains were tucked behind the bed and the chair. I do not recall her saying that she turned the light on, I think it assumed that she did at that moment.

 OK maybe she didn't want to wake the kids up, but the subsequent turning on the light for the search, the twins did not wake up.

So in my opinion, she would not have seen anything unless the light was on. Anyway, that's my opinion.

Welcome to the forum KM.

As to your questions, followers of the case have been asking the same ones for over 11 years now.

[kmoore1967]

Welcome to the forum KM.

As to your questions, followers of the case have been asking the same ones for over 11 years now.

We still talk about the Kennedy assassination. I don't think that people will be satisfied in their minds until someone actually confesses.

[Robittybob1]

Hello, I am new here but I wanted to throw this in regarding the window.

Here is what gets me, since Russell was apparently in his apartment with the kids at 9 pm, but also in his apartment with a sick kid from 9-9:30 and someone took him his dinner...or he ate it there, why did Jane go check on Russell at 9:15? Didn't she trust Russell alone?

It doesn't make sense that the sliding glass door would be open if Gerry used his key at 9, but Kate might have gone through the sliding door.

Since Matthew Oldfield apparently got up at 9:30 to check on the kids, that's AFTER Jane checked on Russell and claimed to see the man carrying the child. Now, if the man WAS carrying the child in that manner, then how did he climb out the window with her?

Kate wouldn't see anything unless she turned the light on first. The curtains were tucked behind the bed and the chair. I do not recall her saying that she turned the light on, I think it assumed that she did at that moment.

 OK maybe she didn't want to wake the kids up, but the subsequent turning on the light for the search, the twins did not wake up.

So in my opinion, she would not have seen anything unless the light was on. Anyway, that's my opinion.

Your timeline is rather unique in that you have Russell in the apartment a lot longer than he admits.  I'd like to know how you come by that understanding?

[kmoore1967]

Your timeline is rather unique in that you have Russell in the apartment a lot longer than he admits.  I'd like to know how you come by that understanding?

I got it from Kate and Jane.

Russell got up at 9, the same time as Gerry.

Kate McCann interview

"Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband said that the children were doing well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, a person who has two children. At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children. "

Jane Tanner interview
"She remembers that at about 21.10 Gerald left the restaurant (3) to go to the apartment to check on the children. Five minutes later, the witness left, to go to her apartment to see whether her daughters were OK. At this moment she saw Gerry talking to an Englishman called Jez whom they had got to know during the holidays. They played tennis with him."

"After checking on her daughters, she returned to the restaurant. On her way back Gerry was no longer talking in the place where she had seen him.

When she arrived at the restaurant Gerry was already there, accompanied by his wife, Kate.

About 15-20 minutes later, her husband Russell and Matthew left to check on the children. As her daughter E**e was restless and crying, Russell stayed in the apartment."

OK, so when did Russell actually go check on his kids? 9, 9:15 or 9:20?

It can't be at 9:!5 because Jane was supposed to be checking on the kids.

[Robittybob1]

It gets confusing now that Kate said Russell went back around the same time as Gerry.  I think she got confused between Russell and Jane.

[kmoore1967]

It gets confusing now that Kate said Russell went back around the same time as Gerry.  I think she got confused between Russell and Jane.

I was confused because there were reports about Russell either leaving the table, staying in with the children, someone taking him a plate of food, or him coming back to eat.

So why would Jane leave the table to check on her child only that many minutes after Russell had left and had/hadn't come back yet?

[Brietta]

I was confused because there were reports about Russell either leaving the table, staying in with the children, someone taking him a plate of food, or him coming back to eat.

So why would Jane leave the table to check on her child only that many minutes after Russell had left and had/hadn't come back yet?

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And that’s when Russell found Evie was awake so he stayed there with Evie.  And then I think Matt checked on Grace and then went and checked on Madeleine, Sean and Amelie and then went back to the restaurant”.

4078    “During the time obviously that they were doing that, you were sat at the table?”

Reply    “Yeah, we were just sat at the table, yeah”.

4078    “And at what stage in the meal were you at then?”

Reply    “Phew, that must have been just before the mains came I think.  Because I think that might be why they thought they’d go and check, because I think it was just before the mains came.  Because I know when Matt came back I was sort of halfway through my main meal, because he said ‘Oh Russell stayed because Evie’s woken up’.  And so I think wolfed down the rest of my meal so I could go back and take over so Russ could come down and finish his.  So I’m guessing it must have just been before the, before the mains came”.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm


Russell was delayed because his little girl was sick.  Jane went back to the apartment to stay with their child while Russell returned to the restaurant to finish his meal.

In my opinion absolutely nothing untoward in that.

[Robittybob1]

I was confused because there were reports about Russell either leaving the table, staying in with the children, someone taking him a plate of food, or him coming back to eat.

So why would Jane leave the table to check on her child only that many minutes after Russell had left and had/hadn't come back yet?

Evie had been unwell that day so the O'Brien-Tanner crew were checking every 15 minutes or so. IMO.

[jassi]

Think if I'd had to contend with a sick child I wouldn't have bothered going out that evening. Takeaways seem to have been available.

[kmoore1967]

Think if I'd had to contend with a sick child I wouldn't have bothered going out that evening. Takeaways seem to have been available.

And that is what is confusing because one person said that someone took him his dinner and some other person said he went back to eat dinner.

So if they had been checking on the children every 15 minutes, then why does Jane go at the same time Russell is there?

I do agree, one of them at least should have stayed with the kid all evening.

[carlymichelle]

didnt one child have a  tummy upset   i  read    one of the babies had pooed her  cot and  all her clothes etc  and the  room smelt  really bad??

[Brietta]

Please confine comment to conform to the thread topic.  Thank you

[kmoore1967]

Please confine comment to conform to the thread topic.  Thank you

Thank you. I will remember to follow that.

In my opinion, Kate could not see anything unless she turned the light on. But the bed that Maddie supposedly slept in was made. So it makes me wonder what Matt actually claims he saw, because he went in at 9:30, 15 minutes AFTER Jane went to see about hers. Jane made her claim that at 9:15 she saw the man carrying a child, which means that Maddie should not have been there at 9:30 if Jane's claim is true.

Therefore, no matter what Kate claimed she saw..the open door, the open window, the curtains flopping in the wind....would make no sense that she saw the twins, if she had not turned on the light.

We know that claim about the curtains was wrong, so it is very possible that she or Matt could have opened the curtains. Most people, when telling a story, usually would say "and I turned on the lights and saw...."

I didn't read that she said she turned them on, but she would have just PRIOR to calling the others. And there is no indication at what time she did, so it seems to me that she could have come in immediately, turned the lights on, made the bed, tucked the curtains and THEN called the others.

She would only have been able to see the twins in their cots if there was enough light. From the door to the window was a straight line of vision, she needed to turn left to see Maddie. Therefore, in my opinion, she didn't actually look in the room to check on the kids, she went in to fix the room to make it look like someone came in.

That's my opinion.

[kizzy]

Were you closing the door like Kate said she was?

well seeing you asked.

The door was in that position anyway - what i did feel was the strong draught on my face. waiting for it to slam

I also tried it wide open ...nothing - surely she would have seen window or felt draught first.if door open wider