What did Kate McCann really see in the Children's Bedroom

[Vertigo Swirl]

One of the main reasons Tanner never saw an alleged abductor, nor did any one else that night imo.

Let’s work this through.  Jane actually DID see a man carrying a child fromthe direction of the apartment at 9.15 pm.  So, what then happened next vis-a-vis hatching the convoluted plot, involving whooshing curtains? 

[Vertigo Swirl]

At what point is JT drawn into the alleged subterfuge, in your view, having actually seen a man carrying a child?  Is she none the wiser at 10pm when the alarm is raised, mentions seeing the man at that point, and then the McCanns have a light bulb moment and go “hey that’s convenient because......”?  Or did she plan to see a man at 9.15pm in advance but then as luck would have it an actual tourist carrying a child happened by?

[faithlilly]

Blimey that is so convoluted, do you really think Kate McCann spent a week dreaming that one up?  There would have been no need to try and explain why Matt didn’t see an open window, in the same way it didn’t seem to matter that Gerry didn’t see Jane - it can all be explained by human fallibility.

Absolute nonsense.
 
What police force would believe that Matt looked into the children’s bedroom and didn’t see and feel the open window?

As to Gerry seeing Tanner he explained that by saying he was on the other side of the road.

[Erngath]

Absolute nonsense.
 
What police force would believe that Matt looked into the children’s bedroom and didn’t see and feel the open window?

As to Gerry seeing Tanner he explained that by saying he was on the other side of the road.

You have such an incredible belief in the observational recall of folk on holiday.

[faithlilly]

You have such an incredible belief in the observational recall of folk on holiday.

Matt seems to have had no problem with his observational recall.

“That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the bedroom occupied by Madeleine."

“That he did not enter the bedroom where MBM and the twins were sleeping. He recalls that the bedroom door was half open, making an angle of 50 degrees. He does not know how far away he was from the bedroom door. He recalls having the perception that the window curtains - green in colour - were drawn closed but could not determine if the window was closed or open. Concerning the external blinds he clarifies that he did not see if it was closed or open. He recalls having thought that in that bedroom there was more brightness than there was in his daughter's room (where the external blinds were always fully closed), adding to have had the feeling that that light was coming from the outside - making the point that both were turned in the same direction. ”

[barrier]

Matt seems to have had no problem with his observational recall.

“That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the bedroom occupied by Madeleine."

“That he did not enter the bedroom where MBM and the twins were sleeping. He recalls that the bedroom door was half open, making an angle of 50 degrees. He does not know how far away he was from the bedroom door. He recalls having the perception that the window curtains - green in colour - were drawn closed but could not determine if the window was closed or open. Concerning the external blinds he clarifies that he did not see if it was closed or open. He recalls having thought that in that bedroom there was more brightness than there was in his daughter's room (where the external blinds were always fully closed), adding to have had the feeling that that light was coming from the outside - making the point that both were turned in the same direction. ”

Given the door didn't slam on his vist,is it likely the window was open.

[faithlilly]

Given the door didn't slam on his vist,is it likely the window was open.

The timeline had moved forward via Redwood so Madeleine would still have been in the bedroom.

[barrier]

The timeline had moved forward via Redwood so Madeleine would still have been in the bedroom.

Indeed.

[Alice Purjorick]

Let’s work this through.  Jane actually DID see a man carrying a child fromthe direction of the apartment at 9.15 pm.  So, what then happened next vis-a-vis hatching the convoluted plot, involving whooshing curtains?

OK let's do just that.
What do you consider the primary to be ?. Without that the "working through" you propose will go nowhere fast.
So your call on the primary event then the rest of us can pick it up.

[Robin Banks]

Kate McCanns statement 4th May 2007

At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

No mention of the curtains blowing, no mention of the door slamming, no mention of is she there isn't she there and that dreaded door was wide open. 

Fiona explains that it was only the Men that checked the Children at night times, the waiter verify's this too.   But this particular night at 10pm after Gerry reminded her she went to check the Children and found Maddie Missing.  Gerry having to remind Kate has always baffled me, as he was up and down like a Yo Yo all night, even to the point of checking the Children Immediately after Matt had checked the McCann Children.



 

 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Absolute nonsense.
 
What police force would believe that Matt looked into the children’s bedroom and didn’t see and feel the open window?

As to Gerry seeing Tanner he explained that by saying he was on the other side of the road.

Benefit of the doubt.  There is no law that says all people have perfect recall. 

[Robittybob1]

A TV documentary is not 3 May 2007.  You have no proof.

Well put it on the balance.  I have more proof he did that you have that he didn't.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Matt seems to have had no problem with his observational recall.

“That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the bedroom occupied by Madeleine."

“That he did not enter the bedroom where MBM and the twins were sleeping. He recalls that the bedroom door was half open, making an angle of 50 degrees. He does not know how far away he was from the bedroom door. He recalls having the perception that the window curtains - green in colour - were drawn closed but could not determine if the window was closed or open. Concerning the external blinds he clarifies that he did not see if it was closed or open. He recalls having thought that in that bedroom there was more brightness than there was in his daughter's room (where the external blinds were always fully closed), adding to have had the feeling that that light was coming from the outside - making the point that both were turned in the same direction. ”

Yet he says he couldn’t determine whether the window or blinds were closed or opened, so that rather reinforces my point.

[Robittybob1]

Given that Kate went to check at circa 10pm after two others had been in and ckecked, the position of the door is not in the least significant imo.

Yes I agree but all that Kate is doing is to reset the door into the preferred position before returning to the Tapas.

[Vertigo Swirl]

OK let's do just that.
What do you consider the primary to be ?. Without that the "working through" you propose will go nowhere fast.
So your call on the primary event then the rest of us can pick it up.

I have no idea what you’re asking, sorry.