Tennis timeline

[Vertigo Swirl]

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[Brietta]

So what?  Police use evidence to build a case.  Just amassing evidence without drawing any inference from it or drawing any conclusions is a pointless exercise IMO.

I would have thought that was obvious.  In my opinion listing sentences from statements isn't even useful as a record without structure or a cross referencing system with a clear index.
I find it monumentally boring unless one is expected to play "guess the inference".

[Vertigo Swirl]

I would have thought that was obvious.  In my opinion listing sentences from statements isn't even useful as a record without structure or a cross referencing system with a clear index.
I find it monumentally boring unless one is expected to play "guess the inference".

IMO that is clearly the game being played here.

[G-Unit]

IMO that is clearly the game being played here.

The evidence shows a woman giving her husband a firm alibi for the period from 6.30 to 7pm on 3rd May 2007. When questioned more closely she withdraws it. 

I don't know why she did that and neither does anyone else in my opinion.

[Brietta]

The evidence shows a woman giving her husband a firm alibi for the period from 6.30 to 7pm on 3rd May 2007. When questioned more closely she withdraws it. 

I don't know why she did that and neither does anyone else in my opinion.

I think we as a forum have continued to sustain quite an extraordinary amount of discourse on this board despite there not being much, if anything, being made public about Madeleine's case at the moment to give us something worth arguing about.

Probably because it isn't all that earth shattering, there certainly hasn't been much internet chatter or any in depth analysis about the tennis timeline. 
With the notable exception of one scurrilous and libellous contention.  Which it appears you have taken a very roundabout route to arrive at here.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The evidence shows a woman giving her husband a firm alibi for the period from 6.30 to 7pm on 3rd May 2007. When questioned more closely she withdraws it. 

I don't know why she did that and neither does anyone else in my opinion.

Does anyone else supply an alibi for this man for that period?  What does the man himself have to say about where he was at that time?  What possible logical explanation can there be for his wife “giving him an alibi” that contradicts others (including his own statement) and then withdrawing it, apart from a simple mistake?

[G-Unit]

Does anyone else supply an alibi for this man for that period?  What does the man himself have to say about where he was at that time?  What possible logical explanation can there be for his wife “giving him an alibi” that contradicts others (including his own statement) and then withdrawing it, apart from a simple mistake?

David says he went straight to the courts, alone. Russell disagrees and has missed the David/Gerry conversation it seems.

 I think me and Matt went straight to the, the courts, Dave went off to his apartment and I believe, erm, to Gerry and Kate’s apartment as well.  Erm, we then went down to the tennis, erm, it had already started because we were a little late, erm, and, erm, there was Gerry, Dan and a number of other male guests, maybe just sort of another three, two or three people, whose name I may have known at the time but no longer do, I certainly didn’t know them terribly well.  And we started off playing doubles on both, both of the two courts, erm, sometimes changing, changing players”.

1578    “So there is Gerry, Dan, yourself and Matt'”
 Reply    “And Dave and a couple of other guests”.

1578    “You said Dave went to the apartment'”
 Reply    “Well he did, but only briefly and then, well he went, he went back there and then, and then joined us, so fairly rapidly there was the full kind of compliment of, erm, of, the male adults within the group were playing tennis.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

David says he went straight to the courts, alone. Russell disagrees and has missed the David/Gerry conversation it seems.

 I think me and Matt went straight to the, the courts, Dave went off to his apartment and I believe, erm, to Gerry and Kate’s apartment as well.  Erm, we then went down to the tennis, erm, it had already started because we were a little late, erm, and, erm, there was Gerry, Dan and a number of other male guests, maybe just sort of another three, two or three people, whose name I may have known at the time but no longer do, I certainly didn’t know them terribly well.  And we started off playing doubles on both, both of the two courts, erm, sometimes changing, changing players”.

1578    “So there is Gerry, Dan, yourself and Matt'”
 Reply    “And Dave and a couple of other guests”.

1578    “You said Dave went to the apartment'”
 Reply    “Well he did, but only briefly and then, well he went, he went back there and then, and then joined us, so fairly rapidly there was the full kind of compliment of, erm, of, the male adults within the group were playing tennis.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

So does Payne have an alibi for 6.30 - 7pm or not?

[Robittybob1]

So does Payne have an alibi for 6.30 - 7pm or not?

Do you mean was he anywhere else other than walking to or from or at his apartment, walking to or from or visiting the McCann's apartment or walking to or from or at the tennis courts?

[G-Unit]

So does Payne have an alibi for 6.30 - 7pm or not?

As per usual, it's all rather vague. Two people made firm statements; Gerry McCann said David was not at the tennis between 6.30 and 7 pm, and Fiona Payne said he was and she saw him but her statement wasn't correct.

[Robittybob1]

As per usual, it's all rather vague. Two people made firm statements; Gerry McCann said David was not at the tennis between 6.30 and 7 pm, and Fiona Payne said he was and she saw him but her statement wasn't correct.

Well this is what FP says in her rogatory interview:
"'Erm, and then I remember it getting to tennis time, because it was men's tennis that night and the men had all rearranged the time to suit us and it was getting towards six o'clock and, you know, they were going to be late, so I remember saying 'Look, you better go because it's not fair, you've moved the time then you'll be late'. Erm, so I think that, that was sort of approaching five to six. And we were toying with the idea of getting the kids ice creams for pudding and then thought oh we probably don't have time, but then we decided well, you know, why don't you go off and go to your tennis and we'll just give them their ice cream and follow on. And so I think they left probably about, you know, that being Matt and Dave and Russell, around five to six, six o'clock time. And the, you know, the wives stayed behind with the kids, they had ice cream and then we followed on about ten past six and we just walked back up to, to watch them play a bit of tennis and give the kids, you know, a little playtime. Erm, and I don't think we stayed there that long that night because the kids were pretty, pretty tired. Erm, I'm trying to think, I'd say probably by seven o'clock we were, me and my mum headed back with the kids to start bath time. Erm, and Dave, we left him playing tennis for a bit longer. Erm, I think we'd bathed the kids by the time he got back, probably ten minutes later. Erm, and then I went for a run that night, after the kids were bathed'."

Well that does sound like he was playing tennis at the time FP and DW left around 7:00 PM. That mention in that passage is the only time she mentions DP being there.

[Vertigo Swirl]

As per usual, it's all rather vague. Two people made firm statements; Gerry McCann said David was not at the tennis between 6.30 and 7 pm, and Fiona Payne said he was and she saw him but her statement wasn't correct.

And where does David Payne say he was?

[Robittybob1]

And where does David Payne say he was?

Have fun finding that one!

[Robittybob1]

And where does David Payne say he was?

This is the section of David Payne's rogatory covering the men's tennis:
"Err after we had the meal we got some ice cream and then err we decided that we were gonna go up and play tennis so I left err with err Russell, we left the, err the girls at the restaurant and we went up to the, err back up to the Ocean Club. Err I, as I say I'm not sure you know what happened to Matt and Russell at that particular moment but I remember then you know I went over to see err Gerry at the err you know tennis courts, just to see you know what was happening, and err decided that we'd, you know I'd come, come back to play tennis and err Gerry had asked me just to pop in and check everything was alright err with Kate or you know again I can't remember the exact reason whether he was just making sure it was alright that he could stay there and you know more time but you know he'd asked me to pop in.
So I walked back err from the tennis courts, err back to err you know Kate and Gerry's apartment and the time you know looking at, you know we've looked obviously at photographs since then and you know the time that we've got that I was you know going to Kate's about six thirty, err and I went into their apartment through the patio doors. The three children were all you know dressed you know in their pyjamas, you know they looked immaculate, you know they were just like angels, they all looked so happy and well looked after and content and I said to Kate, you know it's a bit early for the you know, for the three of them to be going to bed, she said ah they've had such a great time, they're really tired and you know err so I say, you know I can't remember exactly what, what you know the night attire, what the children were wearing but white was the predominant err colour, but you know just to reinforce they were just so happy, you know seeing you know obviously Gerry wasn't there but they were just all, just so at peace and you know they looked like a family who'd had such a fantastic time and err yeah then I left there, went and got my stuff, went back to the tennis courts and then err there was me, Matt and Russell and I think Gerry played a little, for a little while but he decided that he'd, he'd played enough tennis for that day and err was going back and so it left with me, Russell and err Matt and err Dan who was the, the you know the tennis coach from Mark Warner.
Err so we played some tennis and you know we were having a good knock and then it was getting a bit late so err we, you know we left the tennis courts, went back to our respective partners to get ready to go out, you know it was, it was, you know certainly after half past seven that we'd, you know we'd left the courts, perhaps even a bit later than that. Err when I got back err I think because Fiona had done a lot of babysitting and left me playing tennis she said well I'm gonna go for a very quick run so she went for a run on the beach, you know, err got the kids ready, bathed, got them ready for err to go to bed but again you know as we'd got back late err from the tennis courts you know the whole time err for that evening was not, you know later. And then we just got ready to go and by the time Fi had got back from the run we'd all had showers, we were all ready to go and the girls were asleep and we were happy to leave the apartment, it was you know it was sort of gone quarter to nine. Err we walked down, the three of us, err you know to the Tapas area err we bumped into Matt ..."

[G-Unit]

Well this is what FP says in her rogatory interview:
"'Erm, and then I remember it getting to tennis time, because it was men's tennis that night and the men had all rearranged the time to suit us and it was getting towards six o'clock and, you know, they were going to be late, so I remember saying 'Look, you better go because it's not fair, you've moved the time then you'll be late'. Erm, so I think that, that was sort of approaching five to six. And we were toying with the idea of getting the kids ice creams for pudding and then thought oh we probably don't have time, but then we decided well, you know, why don't you go off and go to your tennis and we'll just give them their ice cream and follow on. And so I think they left probably about, you know, that being Matt and Dave and Russell, around five to six, six o'clock time. And the, you know, the wives stayed behind with the kids, they had ice cream and then we followed on about ten past six and we just walked back up to, to watch them play a bit of tennis and give the kids, you know, a little playtime. Erm, and I don't think we stayed there that long that night because the kids were pretty, pretty tired. Erm, I'm trying to think, I'd say probably by seven o'clock we were, me and my mum headed back with the kids to start bath time. Erm, and Dave, we left him playing tennis for a bit longer. Erm, I think we'd bathed the kids by the time he got back, probably ten minutes later. Erm, and then I went for a run that night, after the kids were bathed'."

Well that does sound like he was playing tennis at the time FP and DW left around 7:00 PM. That mention in that passage is the only time she mentions DP being there.

She also said in her rog;

"I got to the tennis courts to see him play tennis, so that would have been about half six and then he was playing tennis for that whole half an hour."

That statement is wrong. The women were still at the Paraiso at 6.36 and Kate says in her book that David went to see her at 6.40.