Tennis timeline

[Vertigo Swirl]

This is the section of David Payne's rogatory covering the men's tennis:
"Err after we had the meal we got some ice cream and then err we decided that we were gonna go up and play tennis so I left err with err Russell, we left the, err the girls at the restaurant and we went up to the, err back up to the Ocean Club. Err I, as I say I'm not sure you know what happened to Matt and Russell at that particular moment but I remember then you know I went over to see err Gerry at the err you know tennis courts, just to see you know what was happening, and err decided that we'd, you know I'd come, come back to play tennis and err Gerry had asked me just to pop in and check everything was alright err with Kate or you know again I can't remember the exact reason whether he was just making sure it was alright that he could stay there and you know more time but you know he'd asked me to pop in.
So I walked back err from the tennis courts, err back to err you know Kate and Gerry's apartment and the time you know looking at, you know we've looked obviously at photographs since then and you know the time that we've got that I was you know going to Kate's about six thirty, err and I went into their apartment through the patio doors. The three children were all you know dressed you know in their pyjamas, you know they looked immaculate, you know they were just like angels, they all looked so happy and well looked after and content and I said to Kate, you know it's a bit early for the you know, for the three of them to be going to bed, she said ah they've had such a great time, they're really tired and you know err so I say, you know I can't remember exactly what, what you know the night attire, what the children were wearing but white was the predominant err colour, but you know just to reinforce they were just so happy, you know seeing you know obviously Gerry wasn't there but they were just all, just so at peace and you know they looked like a family who'd had such a fantastic time and err yeah then I left there, went and got my stuff, went back to the tennis courts and then err there was me, Matt and Russell and I think Gerry played a little, for a little while but he decided that he'd, he'd played enough tennis for that day and err was going back and so it left with me, Russell and err Matt and err Dan who was the, the you know the tennis coach from Mark Warner.
Err so we played some tennis and you know we were having a good knock and then it was getting a bit late so err we, you know we left the tennis courts, went back to our respective partners to get ready to go out, you know it was, it was, you know certainly after half past seven that we'd, you know we'd left the courts, perhaps even a bit later than that. Err when I got back err I think because Fiona had done a lot of babysitting and left me playing tennis she said well I'm gonna go for a very quick run so she went for a run on the beach, you know, err got the kids ready, bathed, got them ready for err to go to bed but again you know as we'd got back late err from the tennis courts you know the whole time err for that evening was not, you know later. And then we just got ready to go and by the time Fi had got back from the run we'd all had showers, we were all ready to go and the girls were asleep and we were happy to leave the apartment, it was you know it was sort of gone quarter to nine. Err we walked down, the three of us, err you know to the Tapas area err we bumped into Matt ..."

So he confirms where he was between 6.30 and 7.00pm,  no plausible explanation for his wife to knowingly give him a false alibi.  As I thought.

[G-Unit]

So he confirms where he was between 6.30 and 7.00pm,  no plausible explanation for his wife to knowingly give him a false alibi.  As I thought.

At 6.30 he says he went to see Kate. Then he went and got his stuff and returned to the tennis courts. What time was that? He doesn't say. Gerry McCann does;

 he states that David returned half an hour later around 19:00, he says that he returned to the tennis court after half an hour, as this time frame refers to the second time he returned to the tennis court after getting ready for the game.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

At 6.30 he says he went to see Kate. Then he went and got his stuff and returned to the tennis courts. What time was that? He doesn't say. Gerry McCann does;

 he states that David returned half an hour later around 19:00, he says that he returned to the tennis court after half an hour, as this time frame refers to the second time he returned to the tennis court after getting ready for the game.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Any reason you can think of for his wife to attempt to give him a false alibi?  No, I didn’t think so.

[G-Unit]

Any reason you can think of for his wife to attempt to give him a false alibi?  No, I didn’t think so.

My aim was to examine the tennis timeline. I discovered that Fiona was wrong when she said she watched her husband playing tennis between 6.30 and 7 pm. I can't tell you why she said it, and neither can you, we would be guessing.   

[Vertigo Swirl]

My aim was to examine the tennis timeline. I discovered that Fiona was wrong when she said she watched her husband playing tennis between 6.30 and 7 pm. I can't tell you why she said it, and neither can you, we would be guessing.

What is the point of research if no conclusions are ever drawn from it?  I have concluded from your sterling efforts that there was no intent to deceive on the part of Fiona Payne, what have you concluded?  Nothing at all I suppose, or nothing that you will admit to publicly.

[G-Unit]

What is the point of research if no conclusions are ever drawn from it?  I have concluded from your sterling efforts that there was no intent to deceive on the part of Fiona Payne, what have you concluded?  Nothing at all I suppose, or nothing that you will admit to publicly.

You can reach any conclusion you like, it doesn't mean you're right because you have no evidence, just a belief imo.

[Robittybob1]

Any reason you can think of for his wife to attempt to give him a false alibi?  No, I didn’t think so.

We might not be able to think of it but it is very interesting.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You can reach any conclusion you like, it doesn't mean you're right because you have no evidence, just a belief imo.

I think I can give a reasoned rationale to support my belief.  I challenge anyone to give a reasoned rationale to support any other conclusion other than it was an honest mistake.

[G-Unit]

Jane's account;

6.15 the men left the Paraiso (correct)
6.30 the women left the Paraiso (she's got that wrong, it was after 6.36)
7.30 women to apartments (agrees with Rachael)
7.45 men return to apartments (agrees with David)


 Reply    “Erm, so I can remember saying to Russell and Matt and everything, it was about quarter past six, I said ‘Oh you’ve got to go to the men’s night tennis because they’ve changed the times for us and now you’re not bloody going’, you know, that sort of, it was that sort of thing.  So I think at about quarter past six they, they all went up to, erm, to the men’s tennis”......

we followed up probably about quarter of an hour later with all the kids and we went to the play area by the tennis courts and had a, you know, we probably stayed there for about half an hour or so.  At that point, I’m not, I can’t say how long that was, about half an hour”.........

Reply    “Yeah.  Erm, so, yeah, we stayed there for a bit and then took the children back and got them, you know, bathed and blah blah and got them ready for bed, but that was probably, by that stage that was probably, erm, half seven’ish.......

I think Russell came back, I think they were supposed to finish at half seven and it was around, I think they had a bit of, but it went on a bit longer, so they were probably back about, he was probably back about quarter to eight.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

[G-Unit]

I think I can give a reasoned rationale to support my belief. I challenge anyone to give a reasoned rationale to support any other conclusion other than it was an honest mistake.

Go on then.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Go on then.

Only if I have your word that you will reciprocate with your rationale for another explanation.

[Miss Taken Identity]

We might not be able to think of it but it is very interesting.

Why are we not able to think? do we have thought police on duty here?

I can think of two reasons- they will stay in my thoughts as will my thoughts on hospital closures and other contentious issues


"I think I can give a reasoned rationale to support my belief" by VS  well it is only a belief so no harm can be done.

[G-Unit]

Only if I have your word that you will reciprocate with your rationale for another explanation.

In my opinion you don't have a 'reasoned rationale'.

[Miss Taken Identity]

In my opinion you don't have a 'reasoned rationale'.

lol me either IMO

[Robittybob1]

Why are we not able to think? do we have thought police on duty here?

I can think of two reasons- they will stay in my thoughts as will my thoughts on hospital closures and other contentious issues


"I think I can give a reasoned rationale to support my belief" by VS  well it is only a belief so no harm can be done.

Can we think of a comprehensive reason?  I'm not convinced we have identified something real yet.