Tennis timeline

[Carana]

I would like to see the actual text if possible.  I see there is some discussion about the letter at this site:
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t18646-foi-answer-from-leicestershire-police

"On October 24, 2007, DC Mike Marshall emailed Ricardo Paiva in Portugal with details of a witness statement he took from David and Fiona Payne. This 2-page letter was the frontispiece to 2 witness statements made by the Gaspars on May 16, 2007. In the 2-page letter, DC Marshall mentions a time (17H00) as it being the time that David Payne went to apartment 5A.

Was this time of 17H00 correct or was it a mistake and should it be 19H00? "

It appears to be an error for Kate was running and Gerry playing tennis and Madeleine at the creche at around that time.

There are several mistakes in the files in noting time. The most outstanding one, IMO, is being an entire hour out.

I find it plausible that 7pm could be wrongly noted as 17:00, instead of 19:00. Easy enough to do in a rush.

I don't recall reading what Marshall was reading re David's document, but I do remember the one re Fiona. I'll post it if I come across it again.

[G-Unit]

There are several mistakes in the files in noting time. The most outstanding one, IMO, is being an entire hour out.

I find it plausible that 7pm could be wrongly noted as 17:00, instead of 19:00. Easy enough to do in a rush.

I don't recall reading what Marshall was reading re David's document, but I do remember the one re Fiona. I'll post it if I come across it again.

Why would David be using either 7, 17.00 or 19.00 in his questionnaire? He went to 5A at 6.30/40, not at those times. He also says both parents were present, and they weren't.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why would David be using either 7, 17.00 or 19.00 in his questionnaire? He went to 5A at 6.30/40, not at those times. He also says both parents were present, and they weren't.

AS you don't do speculation yourself, why are you asking others to speculate?

[Robittybob1]

Why would David be using either 7, 17.00 or 19.00 in his questionnaire? He went to 5A at 6.30/40, not at those times. He also says both parents were present, and they weren't.

I notice there are different ways of writing 17 hundred hours or  5 PM.   17:00 or 17H00 or 17.00 or 5:00. 
What is the proper way?

[G-Unit]

AS you don't do speculation yourself, why are you asking others to speculate?

Not really, I was pointing out that the actual time was one of these; 18.30, 18.40, 6.30 or 6.40. Therefore 17.00 wasn't a reading or writing mistake related to the time the event happened.

[Robittybob1]

Not really, I was pointing out that the actual time was one of these; 18.30, 18.40, 6.30 or 6.40. Therefore 17.00 wasn't a reading or writing mistake related to the time the event happened.

In Your Opinion.  I can't see how you know what DP wrote on the questionnaire unless you can show it to us.

[Carana]

Why would David be using either 7, 17.00 or 19.00 in his questionnaire? He went to 5A at 6.30/40, not at those times. He also says both parents were present, and they weren't.

What "questionnaire"?

[G-Unit]

What "questionnaire"?

"I read carefully the written document/questionnaire provided by David Payne.".......He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.
DC Maeshall
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

[G-Unit]

In Your Opinion.  I can't see how you know what DP wrote on the questionnaire unless you can show it to us.

In my opinion DC Marshall has no reason to lie.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In my opinion DC Marshall has no reason to lie.

Was his memo translated from English into Portuguese and back into English, out of interest?

[Carana]

Was his memo translated from English into Portuguese and back into English, out of interest?

If the watermark signifies the original, I would think that it was retranslated.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3909.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3910.jpg

But I don't think that that's the issue.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If the watermark signifies the original, I would think that it was retranslated.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3909.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3910.jpg

But I don't think that that's the issue.

without his original document it's impossible to know what he actually wrote and may have been changed in translation.

[Carana]

There was a half-edited translation of JT's statement floating around at some point. I remember it because it stated somethig to the effect that she noticed that the child was covered with a blanket, which was the opposite of her actual statement and later her rog that stated that she noticed the child precisely because she wasn't covered.

It was clear to me at the time that part of the statement had been language-edited, but that the rest wasn't in normal English. No idea where I saw that - either it's in one of the apensos files, or it was a leak prior to the files being uploaded.

[Carana]

without his original document it's impossible to know what he actually wrote and may have been changed in translation.

Agreed.

One possibility, which I find plausible, is that DCI Marshall was asked to look over whatever he had in his files, which may have been a half-finished translation or a draft of some kind.

It's not clear what he means by "questionnaire". Was this something separate from the PJ interviews, or was it a term to cover the nature of the PJ statement that might not have corresponded to a typical UK-style interview?

[Robittybob1]

If the watermark signifies the original, I would think that it was retranslated.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3909.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3910.jpg

But I don't think that that's the issue.

Strange how some words are in a bolder font than others in the second photo. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3910.jpg