Will releasing further case files be a factor in keeping this case ticking over?

[John]

The British Government must be very aware that when Operation Grange and its Portuguese counterpart is eventually shelved that latter will again have to make their files public. And if the original files were anything to go by, this second release of information into the public domain could very well be damaging.

Could it be that this inevitability is a factor in keeping the enquiry ticking over.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The British Government must be very aware that when Operation Grange and its Portuguese counterpart is eventually shelved that latter will again have to make their files public. And if the original files were anything to go by, this second release of information into the public domain could very well be damaging.

Could it be that this inevitability is a factor in keeping the enquiry ticking over.

Damaging for whom, John?

[slartibartfast]

The British Government must be very aware that when Operation Grange and its Portuguese counterpart is eventually shelved that latter will again have to make their files public. And if the original files were anything to go by, this second release of information into the public domain could very well be damaging.

Could it be that this inevitability is a factor in keeping the enquiry ticking over.

...or at the very least embarrassing. Good point.

[barrier]

The British Government must be very aware that when Operation Grange and its Portuguese counterpart is eventually shelved that latter will again have to make their files public. And if the original files were anything to go by, this second release of information into the public domain could very well be damaging.

Could it be that this inevitability is a factor in keeping the enquiry ticking over.

Given its a essentially Portuguese investigation it'll be down to them when it ends,can't see why they would keep it ticking over,now OG could be an altogether different ball game.

[Brietta]

The British Government must be very aware that when Operation Grange and its Portuguese counterpart is eventually shelved that latter will again have to make their files public. And if the original files were anything to go by, this second release of information into the public domain could very well be damaging.

Could it be that this inevitability is a factor in keeping the enquiry ticking over.

In my opinion that just is not going to happen.

The Portuguese have in this investigation adhered strictly to the Penal Code on judicial secrecy.  They insisted on the same standard of adherence to that procedure from their British counterparts.

If or when the files pertaining to this investigation are released in my opinion, it will be carried out under strict adherence to the law.

In my opinion the Portuguese authorities will take cognisance of the previous breach of the law as occurred previously in Madeleine's case.

In my opinion they will ensure any files released will be in accordance with Portuguese law and that a general release of the files on the internet will not happen because there will be more stringent checks and balances put in place to ensure accountability to the law for those entitled to have a copy.

First time round ... the internet was in its infancy and the release of the files in such a manner could not have been envisaged.  As far as I am concerned the Portuguese have been once bitten and it will not be allowed to happen again.

[jassi]

Or so you hope.

[Brietta]

Or so you hope.

Can you detail even one other instance of persons who were given a DVD copy of the files  who has breached Portuguese law and the trust placed in them other than Duarte Levy?

I cannot think of a single instance.

In a question and answer session in another place Paulo Reis explained the position succinctly ...
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*** wrote:
Mr. Reis,
Thank you for all the trouble you are going thrue to keep us updated. I have this question to you:

Was there an index of the contents of the files you received attached on the dvd's? And if so, could you please show us the index, so we know what kind of statements, documents, photo's etc. we can expect in the weeks to come?


I can't reproduce (in verbatim...) documents or reprint pictures and/or images from the files, or I may risk a prison sentence up to two years. I can report about the content of those documents, using my own words (artº 88º, Portuguese Penal Code  ... Paulo Reis

Snip
******* wrote:
The point that pjreis makes is that some pages are scans (bitmap images) therefore they cannot be easily searched for keywords. It would be possible to convert every scan into text using OCR software but that would take many many days.

And a request - please I will be very interested to read pages 868-869 (argument) to know where? and when? and which language?



I'll check that, as soon as possible. But I can't make full transcripts, copy of reproduce documents from the PDF files in the DVD given to journalists, I have to use my own words, to publish the content of those files. That's the Law, in Portugal, I and could be jailed up to two years, if I don't respect those legal rules.  ... Paulo Reis

I reiterate ... the breach in the observance of the Portuguese Legal Code was allowed to happen once ... in my opinion it will not be allowed to happen again.

[jassi]

Can you detail even one other instance of persons who were given a DVD copy of the files  who has breached Portuguese law and the trust placed in them other than Duarte Levy?

I cannot think of a single instance.

In a question and answer session in another place Paulo Reis explained the position succinctly ...
Snip
*** wrote:
Mr. Reis,
Thank you for all the trouble you are going thrue to keep us updated. I have this question to you:

Was there an index of the contents of the files you received attached on the dvd's? And if so, could you please show us the index, so we know what kind of statements, documents, photo's etc. we can expect in the weeks to come?


I can't reproduce (in verbatim...) documents or reprint pictures and/or images from the files, or I may risk a prison sentence up to two years. I can report about the content of those documents, using my own words (artº 88º, Portuguese Penal Code  ... Paulo Reis

Snip
******* wrote:
The point that pjreis makes is that some pages are scans (bitmap images) therefore they cannot be easily searched for keywords. It would be possible to convert every scan into text using OCR software but that would take many many days.

And a request - please I will be very interested to read pages 868-869 (argument) to know where? and when? and which language?



I'll check that, as soon as possible. But I can't make full transcripts, copy of reproduce documents from the PDF files in the DVD given to journalists, I have to use my own words, to publish the content of those files. That's the Law, in Portugal, I and could be jailed up to two years, if I don't respect those legal rules.  ... Paulo Reis

I reiterate ... the breach in the observance of the Portuguese Legal Code was allowed to happen once ... in my opinion it will not be allowed to happen again.

Not interested. Just looking forward to the details that are released.

[Carana]

The British Government must be very aware that when Operation Grange and its Portuguese counterpart is eventually shelved that latter will again have to make their files public. And if the original files were anything to go by, this second release of information into the public domain could very well be damaging.

Could it be that this inevitability is a factor in keeping the enquiry ticking over.

Not sure what you're thinking of, John.

The UK and PT investigations are separate, even though there appears to have been some sharing of information / updates, etc.

The UK appears to have whittled its investigation down to a single remaining lead. Once they folliw that through to a conclusion, I would have thought that that's the end of the road unless anything new turns up.

The Porto PT team hasn't said anything. From what I can gather, it's a small team that is also looking into various other cases. Also, AFAIK, there aren't any arguidos on their side - so there's no particular time pressure.

I don't recall having seen PJ investigation documents that "interested parties" could consult - so I don't know what may - or may not - be redacted in "normal circumstances".  In all the PT judgments online that I've seen, names are redacted to a code of letters and numbers, aside from the plaintiffs / defendants identifying the case. I don't know if the PJ are normally supposed to follow that protocol or not.

The UK produced a sensitively written post-mortem on the original investigation, but I haven't seen one from the PT side. There may well be one, but I doubt that it would be available online.

In view of the clamp down on leaks, I can't see what PT could reveal that could be "damaging" or "embarrassing".

[Alice Purjorick]

In my opinion that just is not going to happen.

The Portuguese have in this investigation adhered strictly to the Penal Code on judicial secrecy.  They insisted on the same standard of adherence to that procedure from their British counterparts.

If or when the files pertaining to this investigation are released in my opinion, it will be carried out under strict adherence to the law.

In my opinion the Portuguese authorities will take cognisance of the previous breach of the law as occurred previously in Madeleine's case.

In my opinion they will ensure any files released will be in accordance with Portuguese law and that a general release of the files on the internet will not happen because there will be more stringent checks and balances put in place to ensure accountability to the law for those entitled to have a copy.

First time round ... the internet was in its infancy and the release of the files in such a manner could not have been envisaged.  As far as I am concerned the Portuguese have been once bitten and it will not be allowed to happen again.

Where did that rumour start.
By 2007 Google was nine years old. The net and email had been in common usage since 1995.

[G-Unit]

Where did that rumour start.
By 2007 Google was nine years old. The net and email had been in common usage since 1995.

I watched the 9/11 attacks on the internet in 2001. By 2007 I had designed and was running a website, doing online shopping and banking....

[slartibartfast]

I watched the 9/11 attacks on the internet in 2001. By 2007 I had designed and was running a website, doing online shopping and banking....

Usenet has been around since 1980.

[Mr Gray]

broadnband started 2000......FB...2004... I think its fair to say the Internet was in its infancy in 2007

[Brietta]

Where did that rumour start.
By 2007 Google was nine years old. The net and email had been in common usage since 1995.

It is a phenomenon ... or as you may have it ... a 'rumour' ... which has attracted the attention of a reasonable number of academics who think it worthy of a thought or two.

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At a time when 24-7 news was migrating online (Fenton 2009; Pavlik 2008), the case generated unprecedented global media attention. Over a five-year period that has failed to resolve the mystery of the disappearance, Madeleine was subject to a process of relentless ‘intermediatisation’.

By this, we mean that ‘Madeleine’ was mediatised not only through rolling news coverage, but also across a network of websites, television documentaries, films, Youtube videos, books, magazines, music and artworks.

The photogenic little girl was transformed into an iconic global image.

Kate and Gerry McCann were also intermediatised, and quickly became celebrities.
Their representation ranged from unquestioning sympathy and support, to suspicion and innuendo, to full-blown ‘trial by media’ involving periods of abusive and defamatory speculation about the role they might have played in their daughter’s disappearance.
http://openaccess.city.ac.uk/1988/1/2012%20-%20TC%20-%20Madeleine%20McCann.pdf


In my opinion there is far more evidence to suggest that my statement: " ...  the internet was in its infancy and the release of the files in such a manner could not have been envisaged.  As far as I am concerned the Portuguese have been once bitten and it will not be allowed to happen again." bears far more relevance to the thread topic than in your opinion that, to coin a phrase, internet usage was no longer in its infancy.
How that may fit with the unprecedented coverage given to Madeleine's case is a bit of a mystery to me, but there you are.

However ... watch this space. 
Are you prepared to stake the family pile that the Portuguese authorities will have learnt nothing from the illegal release of the PJ files on Madeleine's case onto the internet and will take no preventative measures to ensure there is no future repetition?
Brave man! if you are ... imo of course.

[Alice Purjorick]

Can you detail even one other instance of persons who were given a DVD copy of the files  who has breached Portuguese law and the trust placed in them other than Duarte Levy?

I cannot think of a single instance.

In a question and answer session in another place Paulo Reis explained the position succinctly ...
Snip
*** wrote:
Mr. Reis,
Thank you for all the trouble you are going thrue to keep us updated. I have this question to you:

Was there an index of the contents of the files you received attached on the dvd's? And if so, could you please show us the index, so we know what kind of statements, documents, photo's etc. we can expect in the weeks to come?


I can't reproduce (in verbatim...) documents or reprint pictures and/or images from the files, or I may risk a prison sentence up to two years. I can report about the content of those documents, using my own words (artº 88º, Portuguese Penal Code  ... Paulo Reis

Snip
******* wrote:
The point that pjreis makes is that some pages are scans (bitmap images) therefore they cannot be easily searched for keywords. It would be possible to convert every scan into text using OCR software but that would take many many days.

And a request - please I will be very interested to read pages 868-869 (argument) to know where? and when? and which language?



I'll check that, as soon as possible. But I can't make full transcripts, copy of reproduce documents from the PDF files in the DVD given to journalists, I have to use my own words, to publish the content of those files. That's the Law, in Portugal, I and could be jailed up to two years, if I don't respect those legal rules.  ... Paulo Reis

I reiterate ... the breach in the observance of the Portuguese Legal Code was allowed to happen once ... in my opinion it will not be allowed to happen again.

Perhaps you might like to delineate all that; just so's we all understand.