Author Topic: Will releasing further case files be a factor in keeping this case ticking over?  (Read 9780 times)

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Offline slartibartfast

Perhaps you might like to delineate all that; just so's we all understand.

You wonder why they release them if no one is allowed to see them?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

You wonder why they release them if no one is allowed to see them?

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I can't reproduce (in verbatim...) documents or reprint pictures and/or images from the files, or I may risk a prison sentence up to two years. I can report about the content of those documents, using my own words (artº 88º, Portuguese Penal Code  ... Paulo Reis
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline slartibartfast

“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Doesn’t answer the question.
Is "no one" allowed to see them, or are some people allowed to see them,eg news journalists?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Doesn’t answer the question.
If I understand that you can see them but not reproduce them.
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Offline Brietta

If I understand that you can see them but not reproduce them.
I stand to be corrected on this as I am going from memory.  At the conclusion of a criminal case the case files are made available to interested parties.  Obviously those directly involved in the case are given access; journalists; academics; maybe even the person in the street just passing by?

I think because of the unprecedented interest in Madeleine's case and the number of interested parties entitled to read the files and the sheer volume of the files ... DVDs were burned and given out.

Two things I don't know for sure ...
  • was it usual to distribute the information in this or a similar manner?
  • or was it usual procedure for the released files to be read only on the premises and no physical copies allowed for retention by the interested parties?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

I'm not saying "that you can see them but not reproduce them" is law but it appeared to be what Paulo Reis was saying, right or wrong.
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Offline Carana

I'm not saying "that you can see them but not reproduce them" is law but it appeared to be what Paulo Reis was saying, right or wrong.

All the documents on the DVD have a watermark (including the photos), which states:

MINISTERIO PUBLICO DE PORTMAO
PROIBIDA A REPRODUÇAO

Offline jassi

All the documents on the DVD have a watermark (including the photos), which states:

MINISTERIO PUBLICO DE PORTMAO
PROIBIDA A REPRODUÇAO

Was that put on at the time of document production, or when they were placed on the DVD, do you think?
The former would seem sensible while judicial secrecy was required, but seems pointless when the DVD was going to be made publicly available, particularly to sources outside of Portugal.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

I don’t really understand why the PJ would release files to the public when a case gets shelved without resolution.  If they have been investigating someone but don’t amass enough evidence to secure a conviction, how is it in anyone’s interest (apart from the suspect) to let the possible guilty party know what evidence has already been amassed against them, evidence which may be vital in any future court case?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline jassi

I think it is the Justice dept rather than the police that authorises release. All to do with the Portuguese Constitution

From what was released previously, it would seem to be information that led nowhere.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

I don’t really understand why the PJ would release files to the public when a case gets shelved without resolution.  If they have been investigating someone but don’t amass enough evidence to secure a conviction, how is it in anyone’s interest (apart from the suspect) to let the possible guilty party know what evidence has already been amassed against them, evidence which may be vital in any future court case?

Apparently, the general idea is  transparency (don't mention the war dictatorship), to justify the decision.

I asked around various Portuguese people I was in contact with at the time, and no one had ever heard of DVDs being handed out before. My best guess is that it was simply a pragmatic decision in view of the anticipated media frenzy and likely disruption. I can understand that to a point, but, perhaps with more time, identifying elements could have been redacted (as happens frequently in the US) and indeed in PT legal judgments.

In view of the numerous "leaks" throughout the investigation, many of which were garbled half-truths at best, I'm curious as to whether whoever made that decision thought that it could help to set the record straight, and / or whether that person anticipated that the whole of it would get shared beyond whatever "interested parties" were deemed to be, then uploaded wholesale.

Offline Eleanor

Apparently, the general idea is  transparency (don't mention the war dictatorship), to justify the decision.

I asked around various Portuguese people I was in contact with at the time, and no one had ever heard of DVDs being handed out before. My best guess is that it was simply a pragmatic decision in view of the anticipated media frenzy and likely disruption. I can understand that to a point, but, perhaps with more time, identifying elements could have been redacted (as happens frequently in the US) and indeed in PT legal judgments.

In view of the numerous "leaks" throughout the investigation, many of which were garbled half-truths at best, I'm curious as to whether whoever made that decision thought that it could help to set the record straight, and / or whether that person anticipated that the whole of it would get shared beyond whatever "interested parties" were deemed to be, then uploaded wholesale.

Oh My.  Think of the fun we could have had with redactions.

Offline Carana

Oh My.  Think of the fun we could have had with redactions.

For those of us old enough to remember, certain people had fun with the then embryonic Google translate function...  ?8)@)-)

Offline Vertigo Swirl

I’ll be interested to know what the reaction will be in some quarters when it is revealed via the release of the new files that the McCanns have not been subjected to further close scrutiny by the PJ, and that stranger abduction has been the lead they have been following.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".