Timeline May 3rd

[Lace]

On the night of MBM's disappearance it was noted that Gerry was gone a while on his check. This does  not equate to 30 seconds to get from table to bedroom door to 'listen'.

Gerry met Jeremy Wilkins that is why he was longer than normal. 

[pathfinder73]

Sorry it doesn't add up. Not much longer than a normal check when he said he was only in the apartment 3 minutes and Jez said 3 minutes for their chat. Gerry was gone over 10 minutes. Jane left nearly that time after him and then saw them chatting.

"The conversation with Gerry lasted for about three minutes during which Gerry was chatty and in his normal self. Jeremy then made his way back to his apartment."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

He adds that he never entered any other part of the residence [his bedroom or the kitchen] where he was for only two or three minutes, leaving yet again through the rear door that he closed but did not lock.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[Robittybob1]

It nearly adds up.

[Brietta]

It nearly adds up.

Does it really have to though?  Was there an indication of how long he was in the toilet?  Did Jes have a stop watch measuring how long his chat lasted?

The important issue is that the Rebelo investigation found nothing to lay charges on ... Scotland Yard and HOLMES managed to find Totman a lot more interesting, while remembering to insist that neither the McCanns or their friends were either suspects or persons of interest when they reopened Madeleine's case ... and it certainly didn't prevent the Policia Judiciaria from reopening Madeleine's case and declaring that her parents were not suspects.

The mistakes of the past should remain in the past which is exactly where the present investigations have left them.

[pathfinder73]

It nearly adds up.

Does it? Read all of this carefully now. You are looking at a real timeline.

00.16.41 4078 'Okay. So what sort of time was it when you did that listening check outside Madeleine's room''

Reply 'Well this would have been, I'd have set off about five to nine or just before nine, and so that round trip would have taken me three or four minutes maybe, because on this occasion I didn't go into our apartment, so it was just walk up, sort of ten or twenty seconds outside the two shutters and then back round'.

4078 'Okay. So take me through from there then, what happened after that''

Reply 'So, erm, back to the table, erm, we have, oh, back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

I think everybody, everybody arrived about nine o’clock.  I think we ordered fairly, as soon as Dave and Fi arrived we sort of like ordered almost straight away I think.  And almost I think as soon after Dave and Fi arrived Gerry went to do his check, because they’d already been there since sort of half past eight, so, you know, sort of like it was half an hour, a half an hour check for them.  So he, yeah, he, he went off to his check and he was longer than a bit, because I can remember Kate sort of saying ‘Oh bet he’s put the footy on’, because I think there was a football match that night and she sort of said ‘Oh I think he’s probably’, erm, you know, ‘got side tracked and put the telly on and catch up on the score’, so he was gone a bit longer than normal.

4078    “Backtrack a little.  How long after Gerry had gone was it before you went to do your check?”

Reply    “Well I think it must have been, well it must have been at least five minutes, if not more, because, I say, because he was gone, before I actually left there had been the conversations about him being waylaid.  So, I mean, if, I think it must have been sort of five or ten minutes, five or ten minutes after he’d gone.  I can’t say for sure, but”.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Jane said she left at 9:10. They were talking about how long Gerry had gone before Jane left the table then she saw Gerry and Jez talking. It takes her a minute to get there. Jez said they only talked for around 3 minutes so what was happening for nearly 10 minutes prior to that chat? Gerry said he was only in the apartment for 2 or 3 minutes. Like I say, It doesn't add up at all!

[Brietta]

Does it? Read all of this carefully now. You are looking at a real timeline.

00.16.41 4078 'Okay. So what sort of time was it when you did that listening check outside Madeleine's room''

Reply 'Well this would have been, I'd have set off about five to nine or just before nine, and so that round trip would have taken me three or four minutes maybe, because on this occasion I didn't go into our apartment, so it was just walk up, sort of ten or twenty seconds outside the two shutters and then back round'.

4078 'Okay. So take me through from there then, what happened after that''

Reply 'So, erm, back to the table, erm, we have, oh, back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

I think everybody, everybody arrived about nine o’clock.  I think we ordered fairly, as soon as Dave and Fi arrived we sort of like ordered almost straight away I think.  And almost I think as soon after Dave and Fi arrived Gerry went to do his check, because they’d already been there since sort of half past eight, so, you know, sort of like it was half an hour, a half an hour check for them.  So he, yeah, he, he went off to his check and he was longer than a bit, because I can remember Kate sort of saying ‘Oh bet he’s put the footy on’, because I think there was a football match that night and she sort of said ‘Oh I think he’s probably’, erm, you know, ‘got side tracked and put the telly on and catch up on the score’, so he was gone a bit longer than normal.

4078    “Backtrack a little.  How long after Gerry had gone was it before you went to do your check?”

Reply    “Well I think it must have been, well it must have been at least five minutes, if not more, because, I say, because he was gone, before I actually left there had been the conversations about him being waylaid.  So, I mean, if, I think it must have been sort of five or ten minutes, five or ten minutes after he’d gone.  I can’t say for sure, but”.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Jane said she left at 9:10. They were talking about how long Gerry had gone before Jane left the table then she saw Gerry and Jez talking. It takes her a minute to get there. Jez said they only talked for around 3 minutes so what was happening for nearly 10 minutes prior to that chat? Gerry said he was only in the apartment for 2 or 3 minutes. Like I say, It doesn't add up at all!

What an incompetent bunch of criminals if they couln't even ensure to get their stories to add up and what an incompetent bunch of cops who weren't able to nail them on the strength of it.

[G-Unit]

What an incompetent bunch of criminals if they couln't even ensure to get their stories to add up and what an incompetent bunch of cops who weren't able to nail them on the strength of it.

Was there a 'bunch of criminals' there that night? How many? Two, three, nine?

[barrier]

What an incompetent bunch of criminals if they couln't even ensure to get their stories to add up and what an incompetent bunch of cops who weren't able to nail them on the strength of it.

Much like the expertise of Scotland Yard who can't fathom it out.

[slartibartfast]

Does it? Read all of this carefully now. You are looking at a real timeline.

00.16.41 4078 'Okay. So what sort of time was it when you did that listening check outside Madeleine's room''

Reply 'Well this would have been, I'd have set off about five to nine or just before nine, and so that round trip would have taken me three or four minutes maybe, because on this occasion I didn't go into our apartment, so it was just walk up, sort of ten or twenty seconds outside the two shutters and then back round'.

4078 'Okay. So take me through from there then, what happened after that''

Reply 'So, erm, back to the table, erm, we have, oh, back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

I think everybody, everybody arrived about nine o’clock.  I think we ordered fairly, as soon as Dave and Fi arrived we sort of like ordered almost straight away I think.  And almost I think as soon after Dave and Fi arrived Gerry went to do his check, because they’d already been there since sort of half past eight, so, you know, sort of like it was half an hour, a half an hour check for them.  So he, yeah, he, he went off to his check and he was longer than a bit, because I can remember Kate sort of saying ‘Oh bet he’s put the footy on’, because I think there was a football match that night and she sort of said ‘Oh I think he’s probably’, erm, you know, ‘got side tracked and put the telly on and catch up on the score’, so he was gone a bit longer than normal.

4078    “Backtrack a little.  How long after Gerry had gone was it before you went to do your check?”

Reply    “Well I think it must have been, well it must have been at least five minutes, if not more, because, I say, because he was gone, before I actually left there had been the conversations about him being waylaid.  So, I mean, if, I think it must have been sort of five or ten minutes, five or ten minutes after he’d gone.  I can’t say for sure, but”.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Jane said she left at 9:10. They were talking about how long Gerry had gone before Jane left the table then she saw Gerry and Jez talking. It takes her a minute to get there. Jez said they only talked for around 3 minutes so what was happening for nearly 10 minutes prior to that chat? Gerry said he was only in the apartment for 2 or 3 minutes. Like I say, It doesn't add up at all!

It shows the difference between the hazy recollections of individuals and a created precision timeline based on experience, logic and discussion by a group of individuals.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Does it? Read all of this carefully now. You are looking at a real timeline.

00.16.41 4078 'Okay. So what sort of time was it when you did that listening check outside Madeleine's room''

Reply 'Well this would have been, I'd have set off about five to nine or just before nine, and so that round trip would have taken me three or four minutes maybe, because on this occasion I didn't go into our apartment, so it was just walk up, sort of ten or twenty seconds outside the two shutters and then back round'.

4078 'Okay. So take me through from there then, what happened after that''

Reply 'So, erm, back to the table, erm, we have, oh, back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

I think everybody, everybody arrived about nine o’clock.  I think we ordered fairly, as soon as Dave and Fi arrived we sort of like ordered almost straight away I think.  And almost I think as soon after Dave and Fi arrived Gerry went to do his check, because they’d already been there since sort of half past eight, so, you know, sort of like it was half an hour, a half an hour check for them.  So he, yeah, he, he went off to his check and he was longer than a bit, because I can remember Kate sort of saying ‘Oh bet he’s put the footy on’, because I think there was a football match that night and she sort of said ‘Oh I think he’s probably’, erm, you know, ‘got side tracked and put the telly on and catch up on the score’, so he was gone a bit longer than normal.

4078    “Backtrack a little.  How long after Gerry had gone was it before you went to do your check?”

Reply    “Well I think it must have been, well it must have been at least five minutes, if not more, because, I say, because he was gone, before I actually left there had been the conversations about him being waylaid.  So, I mean, if, I think it must have been sort of five or ten minutes, five or ten minutes after he’d gone.  I can’t say for sure, but”.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Jane said she left at 9:10. They were talking about how long Gerry had gone before Jane left the table then she saw Gerry and Jez talking. It takes her a minute to get there. Jez said they only talked for around 3 minutes so what was happening for nearly 10 minutes prior to that chat? Gerry said he was only in the apartment for 2 or 3 minutes. Like I say, It doesn't add up at all!

Interesting that you choose to tell us Jez and Gerry talked for “around 3 minutes” when what he actually said was “The conversation lasted for approximately three to five minutes”.

[Lace]

A few minutes of discrepancy does not add up to Gerry rushing with a dead Madeleine to who knows where to hide her,  meeting the Smiths on the way,  and then getting back to meet Jez and chat as if nothing had happened and then happily go off to eat his dinner.

[Robittybob1]

A few minutes of discrepancy does not add up to Gerry rushing with a dead Madeleine to who knows where to hide her,  meeting the Smiths on the way,  and then getting back to meet Jez and chat as if nothing had happened and then happily go off to eat his dinner.

Well we hope not.

[G-Unit]

A few minutes of discrepancy does not add up to Gerry rushing with a dead Madeleine to who knows where to hide her,  meeting the Smiths on the way,  and then getting back to meet Jez and chat as if nothing had happened and then happily go off to eat his dinner.

No-one suggested that he did, did they?

[Vertigo Swirl]

No-one suggested that he did, did they?

It is an element of Pathfinders theory actually.

[G-Unit]

It is an element of Pathfinders theory actually.

I don't remember it involving Gerry rushing off anywhere before meeting up with Jes.