Timeline May 3rd

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

The only way Gerry could be Smithman is if the alarm was raised a lot earlier than 10pm or if The Smiths saw the man a long time after 10pm, IMO.

Well do the maths.... how long does it take to walk quickly from the Ocean Club apartments to the location of the Smith family sighting? How much leeway will you give for "around 10pm"? And yes witness statements vary in the estimated time of Kate's check and subsequent raising of the alarm between about 21:45 and 22:13 (i.e. about ten minutes after the "22:03" check).

Tapas Waiter: "Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment."


Matt Oldfield: "By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.

The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50."


Gerald McCann:
"it being 22h03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, she having entered by the rear door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house."

Tapas Barman: Referring to the day of 3rd May when Madeleine disappeared, the witness says that he was working.

At that time, at about 22.20 - 22.30 he noticed that there was only one person sitting at the group's table, the oldest of them and he asked her jokingly whether they had left her alone.

The person in question said that the others had gone to the apartment to look for a girl who had disappeared. Seconds later Madeleine's father appeared, greatly agitated, looking for his daughter everywhere, obviously and immediately heading towards the pool and surrounding areas.

Shortly afterwards Luz Ocean Club was in a state of absolute commotion.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Which words of the Smiths are contentious or problematic?  But yes, you may well be right, in any case witness statements ARE unreliable because human memory is unreliable.

Indeed... which makes "22:03" stand out.

[pathfinder73]

The fact remains that the Judicial Police followed the evidence and saw what you are incapable of seeing.

Any chance you could move on from this and desist miring the forum into fixations of yours which were resolved ten years ago.

  How could you be so wrong!

A)        Has the man in the efits been identified?

Operation Grange is a live investigation, we do not comment on
identification as this information is held for the purpose of the
investigation and therefore falls within the section 30 exemption.

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[G-Unit]

Indeed... which makes "22:03" stand out.

This is also worthy of attention;

About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Which means they didn't leave the restaurant, according to Gerry, until 22:13.

[faithlilly]

This is also worthy of attention;

About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Which means they didn't leave the restaurant, according to Gerry, until 22:13.

So ample time for him to have been seen by the Smith and get back to the tapas in time for Kate’s alert.

[Robittybob1]

So ample time for him to have been seen by the Smith and get back to the tapas in time for Kate’s alert.

What drop her on the street somewhere and turn back?

[Vertigo Swirl]

This is also worthy of attention;

About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Which means they didn't leave the restaurant, according to Gerry, until 22:13.

Weird isn’t it that Gerry would go to great lengths to undermine his own alibi.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Weird isn’t it that Gerry would go to great lengths to undermine his own alibi.

Except he’s not though is he. He’s placing himself at the Tapas from 21:20 ish to 22:13.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Except he’s not though is he. He’s placing himself at the Tapas from 21:20 ish to 22:13.

Then why does Faithlilly claim there is ample time for him to have been Smithman, going by his own words?  Clearly if he agreed with everyone else that the alarm was raised at 10pm and everyone agreed he was at thr table at the time there is no way he could be Smithman, agreed?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Here’s my theory.  In his statement Gerry actuall said he turned to Kate at “Ten to” (30 minutes after he returned to the table). This has been misinterpreted by the Portuguese as 10.02pm, they have converted it to the 24 hour clock for written statement and the mistake has been compounded by a typo.

Feel free to scoff and jeer.

[Holly Goodhead]

Here's my theory: timelines often feature in cases and unless some fixed data point is available eg cctv or tel call with digital timings they're only very approx.

You see the same issues with the MM timeline you see with JB, David Bain and Mark Lundy. 

[Lace]

But gone for half an hour according to an independent witness and who was with him AFTER the alarm was raised??

 

Gone for half an hour has to be wrong.   They arrived at 8. 30 Gerry made his first check around 9  spoke to Jes on the way back sat and ate his dinner Kate made check and he was there when she came back.

[Eleanor]

 

Gone for half an hour has to be wrong.   They arrived at 8. 30 Gerry made his first check around 9  spoke to Jes on the way back sat and ate his dinner Kate made check and he was there when she came back.

So much more interesting to try and juggle half an hour out of one hour and a half when there is no indication that any such thing happened.

Even CMofMM sussed that one by trying to shift Madeleine's disappearance to an earlier day, although they haven't got proof of that either.

[The General]

Why's he sending his missus to go and check on the kids?
A check Kate admitted she almost didn't do. If it wasn't for the 'WOOOOOHHOOOOOSSHH', she admits she was about to turn around - AND NOT CHECK HER BABIES AT ALL!
What?

[G-Unit]

Why's he sending his missus to go and check on the kids?
A check Kate admitted she almost didn't do. If it wasn't for the 'WOOOOOHHOOOOOSSHH', she admits she was about to turn around - AND NOT CHECK HER BABIES AT ALL!
What?

According to both the McCanns the reason they actually looked into the children's bedroom on 3rd was because the door to their bedroom had moved. Therefore I assume that they wouldn't have looked in the bedroom if the door had been as it normally was. That suggests that all their previous checks were listening checks. They listened from inside, but didn't look.