Timeline May 3rd

[Robittybob1]

Is there any difference between those two timelines?

Yes.

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Nothing was recooked. That's why Russell had a thin steak as he put it 

The witness was asked to keep Russell's meal warm
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

The alarm was raised before 10pm. Poor Smithman is trapped in a web of lies 

The waiter says Russell was back at quarter to 10 too.   Russell O'Brian  -

 Reply    “’Kate left the table, there was nothing significant about her leaving, but I think it was a similar time to my meal arriving’.  Oh yeah, yeah, I suppose that’s a point, erm.  There it might say ‘The Tapas staff kindly re-cooked my main course’, because I got back at twenty-one forty-five, but the food was probably, you know, the best part of ten minutes later before I got it”.

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The police have a witness statement that said it was Maddy who was crying. Sean and Amelie didn't have a star chart. The way they both slept on 3 May 2007 I doubt they had any problems sleeping unless you can provide some evidence? And don't say because the McCanns said so! Get another source.

The Police don't have a statement to say Madeleine was crying.   Mrs Fenn said she heard crying,  it wasn't a baby.  It could have been the twins,  then Madeleine crying Daddy.   

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

The Police don't have a statement to say Madeleine was crying.   Mrs Fenn said she heard crying,  it wasn't a baby.  It could have been the twins,  then Madeleine crying Daddy.
 

Based on the statement we do have how do you conclude that it’s more likely to have been one of the twins crying?

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Based on the statement we do have how do you conclude that it’s more likely to have been one of the twins crying?

It's my own opinion.   I can't imagine an almost four year old crying for almost an hour.   It was more likely one of the twins woke up and was grizzling waking the other one up which resulted in Madeleine waking up and calling for her Daddy.  The McCann's say that they heard Amelie crying on the Tuesday night and Madeleine came into their bedroom to sleep.

Children of that age don't really understand the 'last night'   she said 'why didn't you come when me and Sean were crying.

[jassi]

Based on the statement we do have how do you conclude that it’s more likely to have been one of the twins crying?

Can't see that it matters  who was crying that night. The parents weren't there to deal with it.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

There’s no reason to suggest Martin Smith is lying. He has no reason to want his sighting to be in any way related to GM’s 22:03 alibi. When MS made his first statement he wasn’t thinking he’d seen GM.

Problem is, though...Mr Smith had been drinking (was known to get inebriated) and wasn’t wearing his prescription glasses for his poor eyesight

[The General]

Problem is, though...Mr Smith had been drinking (was known to get inebriated) and wasn’t wearing his prescription glasses for his poor eyesight

Let's say that is true; it's not, but let's say it is. Were the rest of the family drinking and miopic?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

There’s no reason to suggest Martin Smith is lying. He has no reason to want his sighting to be in any way related to GM’s 22:03 alibi. When MS made his first statement he wasn’t thinking he’d seen GM.

The police are well aware that out of all witnesses who come forward to report a sighting, many of them are wrong; mistaken; busybodies; or people who want to feel somewhat important in an investigation.

Their memories are often skewed; and sometimes they “make” features fit to what they think a suspect should be doing.

I personally think that when Mr Smith said his wife called out to the man who was holding the child — who was CLEARLY asleep — and said: “Is she asleep?” very odd. Why would you ask a total stranger that when it was EVIDENT she was asleep?

I find that suspicious..especially if he was almost running

Smith claims the man didn’t reply, but as he was supposedly walking really fast/almost running, the man may not have even realised she asked him a question (if indeed she did).  He probably thought she was talking to one of their group of nine.

Or, the man may not have spoken English. They actually said he looked like a local, with a suntanned Mediterranean appearance, and wore clothing like a local rather than a holidaymaker.

There’s also the possibility he was the same man Jane Tanner saw...although he eventually came forward (a long time after Amaral accused her of lying!) and said he was taking his daughter home from night crèche. The Portuguese haven’t said who that man is, except that he exists, he came forward, and his account was checked out.. He could actually be Portuguese and speak no English. Many don’t speak English.

Portuguese, like many Mediterranean people (and I know as I’ve lived on the Med) have a totally different way with childcare than Brits. They allow their children out until late; they’ll often take them to restaurants until late in the evening; and if he was Portuguese it’s perfectly possible he’d finished a shift at work and had collected his daughter from night crèche as his wife was still working in a bar or restaurant. It is a holiday resort, remember.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

‘Sean and Amelie didn't have a star chart’ because they were too young and still using nappies?

Maybe Pathfinder has no children and doesn’t realise the twins were too young to have a star chart...

What the star chart does show is how caring a mother Kate was

Don’t forget, they went through IVF to have their children, so for someone to think they’d decide to sell her, give her away to paedophiles, or simply get “ged up” with her and toss her away like an unwanted ornament is HIDEOUS. That merely shows what those people’s psyches are like to even IMAGINE that’s possible.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I know the police can be very sneaky so we'll have to wait and see what happens.

How do you know that, Pathfinder?

Have you had dealings with them yourself?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It's my own opinion.   I can't imagine an almost four year old crying for almost an hour.   It was more likely one of the twins woke up and was grizzling waking the other one up which resulted in Madeleine waking up and calling for her Daddy.  The McCann's say that they heard Amelie crying on the Tuesday night and Madeleine came into their bedroom to sleep.

Children of that age don't really understand the 'last night'   she said 'why didn't you come when me and Sean were crying.

You’re right.

Children never cry for an hour...ever.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Let's say that is true; it's not, but let's say it is. Were the rest of the family drinking and miopic?

Yes, they’d all been drinking, except the children

No idea if the others had sigh problems...it’s possible, given that Mr Smith was retired and his wife was around the same age.

The daughter, or DIL wasn’t feeling well; I need to check but I think she was dizzy or feeling sick, or possibly sloshed, but her husband was helping her so I’m surprised they even took note of a passing stranger

[G-Unit]

It's my own opinion.   I can't imagine an almost four year old crying for almost an hour.   It was more likely one of the twins woke up and was grizzling waking the other one up which resulted in Madeleine waking up and calling for her Daddy.  The McCann's say that they heard Amelie crying on the Tuesday night and Madeleine came into their bedroom to sleep.

Children of that age don't really understand the 'last night'   she said 'why didn't you come when me and Sean were crying.

Apparently Madeleine understood 'last night', unless her parents were mistaken.

Gerry McCann;

4th May w/s "MADELEINE asked her father, GERALD, why he had not come into the room when the twins were crying."
10th May w/s "Madeleine looked at her mother and asked her "why did you not come last night when Sean and I were crying?".

Kate McCann;

Madeleine one year on (documentary) "it was, sort of, fairly early in the morning and she just very casually, really, said: (mimics Madeleine's voice) 'Where were you last night, when me and Sean cried?"

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id242.htm

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Apparently Madeleine understood 'last night', unless her parents were mistaken.

Gerry McCann;

4th May w/s "MADELEINE asked her father, GERALD, why he had not come into the room when the twins were crying."
10th May w/s "Madeleine looked at her mother and asked her "why did you not come last night when Sean and I were crying?".

Kate McCann;




That doesn't sound like an almost four child talking.


When asked, he says that on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn't sleep. He thinks that he hadn't heard crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if he or his wife comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed.


Madeleine one year on (documentary) "it was, sort of, fairly early in the morning and she just very casually, really, said: (mimics Madeleine's voice) 'Where were you last night, when me and Sean cried?"

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id242.htm