Timeline May 3rd

[Robittybob1]

By your own interpretation you’ve got the restaurant chef finding out Madeleine had disappeared BEFORE anyone left the table.  In other words he was the first person after Kate to learn of Madeleine’s disappearance, and you still think this is logical?

Did he say "Madeleine"?   I was never sure what he was talking about.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In my opinion a few witnesses should have been questioned again. It's too late now, but Pelega's statement could have been confirmed (or not) at the time. The receptionist stated he was phoned from the Tapas 'between 21:30 and 22:00 and informed of the disappearance'. That should have been looked into.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

If you're taking this statement as read then Gerry was in the OC reception somewhere between 21:30 and 22:00 - was that before or after he supposedly dumped the body in the bin?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

If you're taking this statement as read then Gerry was in the OC reception somewhere between 21:30 and 22:00 - was that before or after he supposedly dumped the body in the bin?

It’s before the Smith family sighting.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

By your own interpretation you’ve got the restaurant chef finding out Madeleine had disappeared BEFORE anyone left the table.  In other words he was the first person after Kate to learn of Madeleine’s disappearance, and you still think this is logical?

No you’re mistaken. The clamour is caused by the T7 finding out MM is not in the apartment. The witness then learns what the clamour is about. So he’s not the “first person after Kate” to find out. It’s clear the T7 had already found out.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It’s before the Smith family sighting.

My response to this was deleted.  I will try and put it another way.  You have Person X checking that the police have been called and then moments later is seen carrying a corpse through town, knowing that the police have been alerted.  I will say no more than that.

[Lace]

No you’re mistaken. The clamour is caused by the T7 finding out MM is not in the apartment. The witness then learns what the clamour is about. So he’s not the “first person after Kate” to find out. It’s clear the T7 had already found out.

So,  the clamour was at 21.40?   So twenty minutes after the Payne's arrive they had eaten their starter and dinner!! Wow.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No you’re mistaken. The clamour is caused by the T7 finding out MM is not in the apartment. The witness then learns what the clamour is about. So he’s not the “first person after Kate” to find out. It’s clear the T7 had already found out.

So Kate went to do a check on the kids as soon as Gerry got back from his chat with Jes Wilkins, is that what you're saying happened?  But that this was not reported by any of the group?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

If Gerry did the 9.30 check and not Oldfield the timeline you suggest would make more sense.

Similarly I think a 9.00 check by Gerry also makes more sense when, according to Wilkins, Gerry was acting normally.

At 9.30 the child was discovered missing.

That’s worth consideration. Abduction theorists on the SIL site debate whether MO’s check even happened. Why invent it though??? Also do MO check his own children but didn’t go into 5A?? I could understand that... GM and MO both going might answer why at least one witness said two men had left the table at one point (wasn’t that ROB and MO though???). Whatever happened it’s clear we need to understand the timeline. Amaral was right to concentrate on it even if it could be argued he jumped to conclusions too quickly imo.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So Kate went to do a check on the kids as soon as Gerry got back from his chat with Jes Wilkins, is that what you're saying happened?  But that this was not reported by any of the group?

I’m not “saying” anything. I wasn’t a witness to the events.

[Lace]

That’s worth consideration. Abduction theorists on the SIL site debate whether MO’s check even happened. Why invent it though??? Also do MO check his own children but didn’t go into 5A?? I could understand that... GM and MO both going might answer why at least one witness said two men had left the table at one point (wasn’t that ROB and MO though???). Whatever happened it’s clear we need to understand the timeline. Amaral was right to concentrate on it even if it could be argued he jumped to conclusions too quickly imo.

Two men did leave the table,  it was Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brian.

[The General]

I’m not “saying” anything. I wasn’t a witness to the events.

It's the Cathy Newman technique.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Two men did leave the table,  it was Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brian.

Yes I put that in brackets. Though you can only post with that certainty if you are convinced we are certain of the timeline. Evidence, for me, actually shows we are far from certain exactly what happened and at what time. Have a look on the SIL site even today abduction theorists are debating whether MO’s check took place and whether GM was “lying” or “mistaken” with regards to which door he used to enter 5A.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

My response to this was deleted.  I will try and put it another way.  You have Person X checking that the police have been called and then moments later is seen carrying a corpse through town, knowing that the police have been alerted.  I will say no more than that.

The Police weren’t called until after the Smith sighting imo.

[G-Unit]

If you're taking this statement as read then Gerry was in the OC reception somewhere between 21:30 and 22:00 - was that before or after he supposedly dumped the body in the bin?

The OC receptionist said Gerry turned up at some point with John Hill. Neither of those men mentioned this in their statements.

[Lace]

The OC receptionist said Gerry turned up at some point with John Hill. Neither of those men mentioned this in their statements.

Waiter Tapas Bar -

Later, between 22.00 and 22.30, when the witness was in the kitchen, he was informed by a colleague that in the meantime a client had entered the restaurant shouting and that afterwards the whole English had left in a panic. The witness' colleague told him that this individual had said that a child had disappeared. A few minutes later the witness noticed great agitation, with many people everywhere searching for the child.