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Offline Brietta

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #795 on: July 11, 2020, 06:31:03 PM »
Jane doesn't think so.

She certainly thought so at the time and for many years thereafter as well as being called 'liar' by many sceptics and sceptic fora.

Dr Totman being identified as the carrier gave some respite from the slurs and gave her blessed respite from her fear that she had seen Madeleine being carried away. 
But my opinion is my opinion and I see it as I have outlined in my post.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #796 on: July 11, 2020, 06:33:43 PM »
Then where does Totman and the jemmied shutters fit in?

Please remember that the shutters were never jemmied.

Please remember that no material witness ever claimed that they were.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #797 on: July 11, 2020, 06:38:56 PM »
"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/05/world.topstories31
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #798 on: July 11, 2020, 06:40:05 PM »
Please remember that the shutters were never jemmied.

Please remember that no material witness ever claimed that they were.

Yes, all Kate & Gerry's friends & family just imagined the shutters being described by them as forced, jemmied & smashed.

It was a collective hallucination, much like the Smith family suffered.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #799 on: July 11, 2020, 06:41:27 PM »
Is that why Redwood never elaborated on why Totman was going in the wrong direction, if he was supposed to be coming away from the nursery, do you think?

In conjunction with the "almost certain" the direction of travel was a consideration.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #800 on: July 11, 2020, 06:45:38 PM »
Yes, all Kate & Gerry's friends & family just imagined the shutters being described by them as forced, jemmied & smashed.

It was a collective hallucination, much like the Smith family suffered.
Yes and Gerry told them all they’d been jemmied despite knowing the truth would be known almost instantly. Did he forget to jemmy them himself or is he just incredibly stupid?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #801 on: July 11, 2020, 06:46:57 PM »
"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/05/world.topstories31

Hearsay and not a material witness and an excessively desperate clinging onto long discredited shibboleths; I understand the desperation behind posts of this type though, I think it is all sceptics have left to cling to.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #802 on: July 11, 2020, 06:49:33 PM »
Hearsay and not a material witness and an excessively desperate clinging onto long discredited shibboleths; I understand the desperation behind posts of this type though, I think it is all sceptics have left to cling to.

“As a lawyer once said to me, apropos another matter, ‘One coincidence, two coincidences – maybe they’re still coincidences. Any more than that and it stops being coincidence.’” Kate McCann
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #803 on: July 11, 2020, 06:50:48 PM »
Yes and Gerry told them all they’d been jemmied despite knowing the truth would be known almost instantly. Did he forget to jemmy them himself or is he just incredibly stupid?

Maybe he was concerned with other matters & forgot.

Either way, there's no doubt the family were told about the broken shutters, they can't all have imagined hearing it.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #804 on: July 11, 2020, 06:55:09 PM »
Maybe he was concerned with other matters & forgot.

Either way, there's no doubt the family were told about the broken shutters, they can't all have imagined hearing it.
Broken yes, jemmied no.  It’s quite understandable if Gerry thought the shutters had been forced, unless you can tell us why this was a ridiculous conclusion for someone to draw in such a scenario.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #805 on: July 11, 2020, 06:55:39 PM »
Hearsay and not a material witness and an excessively desperate clinging onto long discredited shibboleths; I understand the desperation behind posts of this type though, I think it is all sceptics have left to cling to.

Some desperately cling to Tannerman despite him being dismissed in 2013.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #806 on: July 11, 2020, 06:58:23 PM »
Broken yes, jemmied no.  It’s quite understandable if Gerry thought the shutters had been forced, unless you can tell us why this was a ridiculous conclusion for someone to draw in such a scenario.

Because Kate had opened the window & shutters, her prints were there, if they were ever actually open that is.
Christian Brueckner Fan Club

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #807 on: July 11, 2020, 07:00:10 PM »
Some desperately cling to Tannerman despite him being dismissed in 2013.

& Smithman is never the abductor in McCann land.
Christian Brueckner Fan Club

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #808 on: July 11, 2020, 07:01:20 PM »
Some desperately cling to Tannerman despite him being dismissed in 2013.
Some desperately clinging to the McCanns despite being dismissed years before that!
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline jassi

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #809 on: July 11, 2020, 07:11:06 PM »
Some desperately cling to Tannerman despite him being dismissed in 2013.

Denial- as Davel would say.  8(0(*
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future