Author Topic: Mark Warner Holidays  (Read 38276 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2018, 08:50:15 PM »
The ownership of the apartments is irrelevant to the group's decision to perform their own listening service. What is relevant is that they claimed to have copied the Mark Warner listening service. That was only offered on sites where MW were in control of the area, however. Sites which were separate from any local villages or towns. The Ocean Club wasn't like that, so the T9 listening service is different on that point.

The second difference was that the nannies who did the listening service did nothing else. They were in the vicinity of the apartments all the time. If anything unusual happened they were likely to see or hear it. They would also act as a deterrent if such a thing was needed.
What do you mean by “in the vicinity of the apartments”?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2018, 09:04:11 PM »
A problem after the event rather than before.
In your opinion.
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Offline jassi

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2018, 09:08:00 PM »
In your opinion.


In what way do you think it was a problem before the event ?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2018, 10:43:55 PM »
It came a problem for the PJ to inspect neighbouring apartments to the McCanns because OC did not have access to the keys.

I said relevance.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2018, 12:11:21 AM »

In what way do you think it was a problem before the event ?
Did they know who were in the apartments not under their control?  That is a problem.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2018, 06:02:34 AM »
What do you mean by “in the vicinity of the apartments”?

In the vicinity of means nearby.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2018, 08:16:46 AM »
In the vicinity of means nearby.
If they were on a 15 minute period the nannies could be quite a distance from any one particular apartment.  We would have to know how frequent the listening was done and the spread of the apartments to be sure.
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Offline jassi

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2018, 08:27:02 AM »
Did they know who were in the apartments not under their control?  That is a problem.

Only if you want to make it one.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2018, 08:28:55 AM »
In the vicinity of means nearby.
Like the Tapas group were in the vicinity then.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2018, 09:44:25 AM »
If they were on a 15 minute period the nannies could be quite a distance from any one particular apartment.  We would have to know how frequent the listening was done and the spread of the apartments to be sure.

If they were on a 15 minute checking period then that's twice as frequent as the McCann's chosen frequency, so that's another difference. I assume the nannies had charge of different areas so it's the size of those areas which matters, not the spread of the apartments as a whole. Also the nannies were around. They weren't in a bar or restaurant between checks, they were outside walking the paths and able to see and hear anything suspicious. Here's an account suggesting 15 minute intervals with the MW system, along with a normal parent's misgivings about the system;

We went to Sardinia with Mark Warner last year and children were unwelcome at dinner. You were supposed to use the baby listening service, which consisted of leaving the child alone in the room and every 15 minutes a nanny would physically go and stand outside the door to listen. If the child was crying she'd walk over to the restaurant to fetch you. A lot of parents used this but I thought it was unsafe and mean to let a child cry in a strange hotel room all alone. Also, my son could climb out of the cot and knew how to open the door to the balcony, so I thought he could easily have met with accident in 15 minutes. Why don't you ring up the hotel and ask exactly what they offer and then you can decide if it would suit your child?
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/general_advice_tips/2633-baby-listening

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2018, 10:15:50 AM »
If they were on a 15 minute checking period then that's twice as frequent as the McCann's chosen frequency, so that's another difference. I assume the nannies had charge of different areas so it's the size of those areas which matters, not the spread of the apartments as a whole. Also the nannies were around. They weren't in a bar or restaurant between checks, they were outside walking the paths and able to see and hear anything suspicious. Here's an account suggesting 15 minute intervals with the MW system, along with a normal parent's misgivings about the system;

We went to Sardinia with Mark Warner last year and children were unwelcome at dinner. You were supposed to use the baby listening service, which consisted of leaving the child alone in the room and every 15 minutes a nanny would physically go and stand outside the door to listen. If the child was crying she'd walk over to the restaurant to fetch you. A lot of parents used this but I thought it was unsafe and mean to let a child cry in a strange hotel room all alone. Also, my son could climb out of the cot and knew how to open the door to the balcony, so I thought he could easily have met with accident in 15 minutes. Why don't you ring up the hotel and ask exactly what they offer and then you can decide if it would suit your child?
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/general_advice_tips/2633-baby-listening
Given a choice between relying on strangers doing checks and myself and my friends doing checks I know which option I would choose. 
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2018, 10:35:14 AM »
Did they know who were in the apartments not under their control?  That is a problem.

Why?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2018, 10:41:22 AM »
If they were on a 15 minute checking period then that's twice as frequent as the McCann's chosen frequency, so that's another difference. I assume the nannies had charge of different areas so it's the size of those areas which matters, not the spread of the apartments as a whole. Also the nannies were around. They weren't in a bar or restaurant between checks, they were outside walking the paths and able to see and hear anything suspicious. Here's an account suggesting 15 minute intervals with the MW system, along with a normal parent's misgivings about the system;

We went to Sardinia with Mark Warner last year and children were unwelcome at dinner. You were supposed to use the baby listening service, which consisted of leaving the child alone in the room and every 15 minutes a nanny would physically go and stand outside the door to listen. If the child was crying she'd walk over to the restaurant to fetch you. A lot of parents used this but I thought it was unsafe and mean to let a child cry in a strange hotel room all alone. Also, my son could climb out of the cot and knew how to open the door to the balcony, so I thought he could easily have met with accident in 15 minutes. Why don't you ring up the hotel and ask exactly what they offer and then you can decide if it would suit your child?
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/general_advice_tips/2633-baby-listening
Another difference is nannies stand outside doors listening, parents enter the room to check all is well.  Which is better?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2018, 10:45:04 AM »
Between the hours of 9pm and 10pm how many minutes were members of the Tapas group in the near vicinity of Apartment 5a, bearing in mind the apparently transparent thinness of walls that meant anyone in the near vicinity would be bound to hear a child crying?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2018, 10:58:50 AM »
Given a choice between relying on strangers doing checks and myself and my friends doing checks I know which option I would choose.

You differ from this group then. Given the chance they would happily have handed the responsibility to strangers.
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