Author Topic: Mark Warner Holidays  (Read 38332 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #120 on: July 19, 2018, 11:20:23 AM »
What does 'feeling safe' even mean? Both Dianne and Rachael found it somewhat spooky when they ventured out alone at night. The McCanns locked their apartment in daylight hours. Kate was worried about leaving her children while she went to fetch their ice-creams on their family outing. She wasn't sure about leaving the patio door unlocked at night. None of that suggests 'feeling safe' in Luz.
would you describe where you live as "feeling safe"?  Assuming the answer is "yes" would you lock your house when leaving it?  Would you ever feel vulnerable walking alone at night near where you lived?  Would you leave your kids unattended in your neighbourhood to go fetch ice creams?
All rhetorical questions, please feel under no duress to reply.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #121 on: July 19, 2018, 12:26:30 PM »
would you describe where you live as "feeling safe"?  Assuming the answer is "yes" would you lock your house when leaving it?  Would you ever feel vulnerable walking alone at night near where you lived?  Would you leave your kids unattended in your neighbourhood to go fetch ice creams?
All rhetorical questions, please feel under no duress to reply.

It's not about how I feel, is it? It's about how these holidaymakers described Luz.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #122 on: July 19, 2018, 12:33:13 PM »
It's not about how I feel, is it? It's about how these holidaymakers described Luz.
Relatively safe IMO.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #123 on: July 19, 2018, 12:39:26 PM »
Relatively safe IMO.

Not relatively safe enough for the McCanns to lock the doors during the day to safe guard valuables.

So the 'it felt safe' statement doesn't quite match up with their behaviour. ^*&&
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #124 on: July 19, 2018, 12:41:26 PM »
It's not about how I feel, is it? It's about how these holidaymakers described Luz.
I’m simply pointing out that you can feel safe in an environment yet still cautious about certain aspects.  It’s a nuanced viewpoint rather than the simplistic BLACK or WHITE viewpoint some prefer to express.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #125 on: July 19, 2018, 12:43:18 PM »
Not relatively safe enough for the McCanns to lock the doors during the day to safe guard valuables.

So the 'it felt safe' statement doesn't quite match up with their behaviour. ^*&&
The implication being if you lock your doors either when at home or when on holiday you don’t feel safe.  Assuming you always lock your doors does that mean you are in a constant state of feeling unsafe?
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #126 on: July 19, 2018, 12:50:24 PM »
The implication being if you lock your doors either when at home or when on holiday you don’t feel safe.  Assuming you always lock your doors does that mean you are in a constant state of feeling unsafe?

No. It is about being careful with your valuables to  try protect them from being stolen. Risk Assessment!
They left a door unlocked at night and their daughter was allegedly 'stolen', where as, they locked it during the day to protect their valuables. THEY claimed it felt safe. Their behaviour says different.

There really is no argument here, defending this is futile, and smacks of attention seeking.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #127 on: July 19, 2018, 12:51:34 PM »
I’m simply pointing out that you can feel safe in an environment yet still cautious about certain aspects.  It’s a nuanced viewpoint rather than the simplistic BLACK or WHITE viewpoint some prefer to express.

Perhaps you can explain why someone feels unsafe enough to lock their premises in daylight but not at night?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #128 on: July 19, 2018, 01:06:20 PM »
Perhaps you can explain why someone feels unsafe enough to lock their premises in daylight but not at night?
Because they were in the near vicinity, going back and forth between the apartment regularly and not off down the beach or on the tennis courts, I assume.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #129 on: July 19, 2018, 01:08:11 PM »
No. It is about being careful with your valuables to  try protect them from being stolen. Risk Assessment!
They left a door unlocked at night and their daughter was allegedly 'stolen', where as, they locked it during the day to protect their valuables. THEY claimed it felt safe. Their behaviour says different.

There really is no argument here, defending this is futile, and smacks of attention seeking.
No it doesn't - their behaviour seems totally normal.  They felt safe, but like you or I would, they locked their apartment when leaving the immediate vicinity. 
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Offline jassi

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #130 on: July 19, 2018, 01:17:41 PM »
No it doesn't - their behaviour seems totally normal.  They felt safe, but like you or I would, they locked their apartment when leaving the immediate vicinity.

The tennis courts, where by all accounts they seemed to spend much of their time, is in the same vicinity as the Tapas bar, so why lock their doors ?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #131 on: July 19, 2018, 01:38:21 PM »
The tennis courts, where by all accounts they seemed to spend much of their time, is in the same vicinity as the Tapas bar, so why lock their doors ?
Perhaps because they weren’t sat on the tennis courts facing their apartments and returning to them on a regular basis?  Dunno, best ask them, eh?
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Offline jassi

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #132 on: July 19, 2018, 01:54:39 PM »
Perhaps because they weren’t sat on the tennis courts facing their apartments and returning to them on a regular basis?  Dunno, best ask them, eh?

Good Idea - got an address I can use ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #133 on: July 19, 2018, 02:06:49 PM »
Good Idea - got an address I can use ?
Easily found using google, or if you're a member of a forum that is dedicated solely to "researching" the McCanns. 
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Offline jassi

Re: Mark Warner Holidays
« Reply #134 on: July 19, 2018, 04:53:53 PM »
I seem to remember something about just addressing an envelope to 'Kate & Gerry, Rothley' and it would get there, though perhaps that only worked if it was stuffed with money.  8(0(*
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