Mark Warner Holidays

[Robittybob1]

They were there, you weren’t.

I thought the general consensus was that the view would not be that great as they had to look through a plastic curtain. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

I thought the general consensus was that the view would not be that great as they had to look through a plastic curtain.

Really?  Who decided that?

[Brietta]

Sadie I see you like cites so why not respond to my request for one over on the calpol thread.

I agree Sadie we don't want myths flying around so with this in mind pleases could you provide a cite where the group would be able to see the door from the restaurant.   I have had a brief look and see how they could see the actual door only part of the outside of 5a. Otherwise why not amend your post as I did.

By the way thanks again for putting me right regarding Cat.

It was over here.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9310.msg473829#msg473829

Also I can't recall any instances of the couple swimming. As far as I can recall there was a visit to the pool on the first day and the last day if different please could you provide a cite for this?

If we must indulge in nit picking ... when did "relaxing by the pool" - which is what Sadie actually said - become "swimming"?  There were plenty of chairs and loungers at the pool area and there is comment both about activity beside the pool both prior to and after Madeleine's disappearance.

[Miss Taken Identity]

The group didn't have a good view of the patio door from the table, and even if they did, there's no way their eyes were glued to it. They were busy chatting and eating, not staring at the McCann's apartment.

1578 'And from where you were sat, what was your view like of the apartments''
 Reply 'Erm well yeah I could see, I mean I could see the patio doors of ours and Gerry and Kates'.

1578 'How much of the patio doors''
 Reply 'Erm well kind of the top half really'.

1578 'Okay'.


 Reply "Yeah you know, I didn't get a full you know, you couldn't get a full view sort of right in, cos there were bushes, there were bushes and stuff there, erm'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Oh, Just ignore all that they may have had one of them memory thingies...

One has to wonder, IF they were like sitting in 'their' Garden, within open sight, very close and could keep an eye on the children AND on that night there was more checks INCLUDING two physical checks-  a child managed to disappear.

Hmm yeah I see where the PJ are coming from with this one!

[G-Unit]

They were there, you weren’t.

I provided a cite from a member of the group who was sitting facing the apartments. Perhaps you can find one from a group member which contradicts what Rachael said?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I provided a cite from a member of the group who was sitting facing the apartments. Perhaps you can find one from a group member which contradicts what Rachael said?

Your cite actually proves that they could see the McCanns patio, or part of it.  They would be able to see if the doors opened for example.


1578 'And from where you were sat, what was your view like of the apartments''
 Reply 'Erm well yeah I could see, I mean I could see the patio doors of ours and Gerry and Kates'.

1578 'How much of the patio doors''
 Reply 'Erm well kind of the top half really'.

[Robittybob1]

Really?  Who decided that?

People that actually went to the Tapas Bar and looked back toward the apartments.

[Vertigo Swirl]

People that actually went to the Tapas Bar and looked back toward the apartments.

So the Tapas group were sat behind a plastic curtain were they?  That's news to me I must say.

[Robittybob1]

So the Tapas group were sat behind a plastic curtain were they?  That's news to me I must say.

I believe that is correct.
Here they have the table off to the side a bit

But the image clearly shows the plastic curtain.

[Brietta]

I believe that is correct.
Here they have the table off to the side a bit

But the image clearly shows the plastic curtain.

It is a see through plastic curtain, Robitty.  I can clearly see a building through it to the right.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I believe that is correct.
Here they have the table off to the side a bit

But the image clearly shows the plastic curtain.

Indeed. You can clearly see a fly on the ground in the patio if you look closely!

So, they had a great view of the top arch of an opening..

This means if jack had his beanstalk in full flower, and was the abductor, they  would have caught him red handed!! wow ...

[Vertigo Swirl]

Indeed. You can clearly see a fly on the ground in the patio if you look closely!

So, they had a great view of the top arch of an opening..

This means if jack had his beanstalk in full flower, and was the abductor, they  would have caught him red handed!! wow ...

top of the patio doors clearly visible.

[Miss Taken Identity]

top of the patio doors clearly visible.

So is the roof   so what?   The patio doors are heavy and have curtains. they were sat so close they would have heard them open according to...

Were they all staring at the door or eating,drinking and chatting? seem they were not paying attention to the top of the door.

[jassi]

So is the roof   so what?   The patio doors are heavy and have curtains. they were sat so close they would have heard them open according to...

Were they all staring at the door or eating,drinking and chatting? seem they were not paying attention to the top of the door.

That explains why they were so vague about the comings and goings from the table -- they all had their eyes glued on the patio doors

[Vertigo Swirl]

So is the roof   so what?   The patio doors are heavy and have curtains. they were sat so close they would have heard them open according to...

Were they all staring at the door or eating,drinking and chatting? seem they were not paying attention to the top of the door.

So, anyone claiming they were unable to see the apartment door is talking bollocks.