Mark Warner Holidays

[Sunny]

I am beginning to wonder if the plastic curtain wall was not in place during their stay. 
Jane stated that she was very cold so she wore Russells Fleece.

When we were there, I wasn't aware that the plastic curtain wall could and was removed at times, but recently saw an image showing the restaurant completely open to the elements apart from the roof.

 

No Sadie the plastic curtain was there.

Witness Statement

Nuno Goncalo Marques Vincente Dos Ramos Bernardo

Date: 2007/05/06

Occupation: Waiter

Place of Work: Ocean Club


When asked he said that he only saw Madeleine's parents on the news the following day. He does not remember them inside the restaurant or having served them, but he thinks that is possible given the number of people in the restaurant and the fact that they were mainly British. But he does remember that almost every night there was a reservation of a table for nine people in the restaurant for dinner. This table was situated opposite the bar and facing the apartments but there was plastic wind shield which did not enable a clear view outside.


Gerry



Gerald McCann 10 May 2007

----- They took the usual route to the TAPAS, where they arrived a little after 20H35, not having passed on the route anyone known nor detected anything abnormal. Asked, he said that the dinner bookings were made since Monday, it was already the intention of the group to take their meals there. They were the first of the group to arrive seating themselves at the biggest table, as usual, that was situated in the middle between other tables under an awning with a transparent plastic surface at the front. He relates that they were seated at the table in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire rear door of his apartment through which they left and entered and which gave access to the lounge.


Now I cannot agree with Gerry on this "they were seated at the table in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire rear door". 

[G-Unit]

No Sadie the plastic curtain was there.

Witness Statement

Nuno Goncalo Marques Vincente Dos Ramos Bernardo

Date: 2007/05/06

Occupation: Waiter

Place of Work: Ocean Club


When asked he said that he only saw Madeleine's parents on the news the following day. He does not remember them inside the restaurant or having served them, but he thinks that is possible given the number of people in the restaurant and the fact that they were mainly British. But he does remember that almost every night there was a reservation of a table for nine people in the restaurant for dinner. This table was situated opposite the bar and facing the apartments but there was plastic wind shield which did not enable a clear view outside.


Gerry



Gerald McCann 10 May 2007

----- They took the usual route to the TAPAS, where they arrived a little after 20H35, not having passed on the route anyone known nor detected anything abnormal. Asked, he said that the dinner bookings were made since Monday, it was already the intention of the group to take their meals there. They were the first of the group to arrive seating themselves at the biggest table, as usual, that was situated in the middle between other tables under an awning with a transparent plastic surface at the front. He relates that they were seated at the table in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire rear door of his apartment through which they left and entered and which gave access to the lounge.


Now I cannot agree with Gerry on this "they were seated at the table in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire rear door".

According to Rachel she was facing the apartments. According to Kate Rachel was seated almost directly opposite Gerry. Perhaps he was seated with his back to the table?

[Miss Taken Identity]

I would attempt to give my take on it, in a way which allows for complexity and nuance of thought but you would simply mock and deride so there really is no point.

Oh now don't be coy.... afraid of a little challenge  of your posts, from a  gurl really?  Ah, I think it is because you can't!

I am beginning to wonder if the plastic curtain wall was not in place during their stay. 
Jane stated that she was very cold so she wore Russells Fleece.

When we were there, I wasn't aware that the plastic curtain wall could and was removed at times, but recently saw an image showing the restaurant completely open to the elements apart from the roof.

 

You went there one time for a visit. Not during the time-scale as the McCanns, NOT when MBM was  reported as disappeared in fact NOT there at all when this whole situation was being played out.  You are as much in the dark as anyone else.

[faithlilly]

Oh now don't be coy.... afraid of a little challenge  of your posts, from a  gurl really?  Ah, I think it is because you can't!

You went there one time for a visit. Not during the time-scale as the McCanns, NOT when MBM was  reported as disappeared in fact NOT there at all when this whole situation was being played out.  You are as much in the dark as anyone else.

If you look on gerrymccannblogs you will see my photographs from the first time I visited Luz after Madeleine’s disappearance. Since she is so interested in the case surely Sadie has photographs to share too ?

[Miss Taken Identity]

If you look on gerrymccannblogs you will see my photographs from the first time I visited Luz after Madeleine’s disappearance. Since she is so interested in the case surely Sadie has photographs to share too ?

Yeah Well, it depends when. she is claiming all sorts.  none of it makes any sense when challenged. It is only now 11 years on she is trying to say there was no plastic windows...   It is entertaining though. I don't know anyone who takes it seriously.

[sadie]

No Sadie the plastic curtain was there.

Witness Statement

Nuno Goncalo Marques Vincente Dos Ramos Bernardo

Date: 2007/05/06

Occupation: Waiter

Place of Work: Ocean Club


When asked he said that he only saw Madeleine's parents on the news the following day. He does not remember them inside the restaurant or having served them, but he thinks that is possible given the number of people in the restaurant and the fact that they were mainly British. But he does remember that almost every night there was a reservation of a table for nine people in the restaurant for dinner. This table was situated opposite the bar and facing the apartments but there was plastic wind shield which did not enable a clear view outside.


Gerry



Gerald McCann 10 May 2007

----- They took the usual route to the TAPAS, where they arrived a little after 20H35, not having passed on the route anyone known nor detected anything abnormal. Asked, he said that the dinner bookings were made since Monday, it was already the intention of the group to take their meals there. They were the first of the group to arrive seating themselves at the biggest table, as usual, that was situated in the middle between other tables under an awning with a transparent plastic surface at the front. He relates that they were seated at the table in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire rear door of his apartment through which they left and entered and which gave access to the lounge.


Now I cannot agree with Gerry on this "they were seated at the table in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire rear door".

From tht, it seems that the plastic curtains were in place, so that is one point more or less established.  Thank you Sunny.


Also Gerry establishes that the group was, more or less, in the centre of the restaurant.   This means that they were only about a metre or so from where we sat and would have had a similar very good view

[G-Unit]

From tht, it seems that the plastic curtains were in place, so that is one point more or less established.  Thank you Sunny.


Also Gerry establishes that the group was, more or less, in the centre of the restaurant.   This means that they were only about a metre or so from where we sat and would have had a similar very good view

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Here is Gerry demonstrating where they sat. (8.01) Their sight of the apartment is also shown;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U

Can anyone identify the spot where he is standing on this pic?

[ShiningInLuz]

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Here is Gerry demonstrating where they sat. (8.01) Their sight of the apartment is also shown;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U

Can anyone identify the spot where he is standing on this pic?

He appears to be at a passageway between the restaurant and the bar, indicating the north-west corner of the restaurant.

I vaguely remember something saying their table had been moved that night, but I cannot remember the source.

[sadie]

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Thankyou Gunit, the picture that I was looking for ! 

If that was the position that they sat then it was very close to where we sat and the view would be very like ours.

[Robittybob1]

Thankyou Gunit, the picture that I was looking for ! 

If that was the position that they sat then it was very close to where we sat and the view would be very like ours.

That photo is with the plastic curtains up.  Were they down on the night?

[sadie]

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Here is Gerry demonstrating where they sat. (8.01) Their sight of the apartment is also shown;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U

Can anyone identify the spot where he is standing on this pic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U

If Gerry is correct about where they sat in the video, then they sat at the tapas bar end of the restaurant, but within the restaurant ... and if the photo is taken from the same spot, then the view was much less good. 

However, we know that Gerry is not much good at remembering places where he chatted with people.  Remember how badly he got it wrong about where he and Jez stood talking IMO?

And as posted in the last couple of days on here, according to her statement, *** "she" said that from the dining table, "she" could see the patio doors to both their apartment and the Mccanns apartment, so imo, they must have sat near where I sat, rather than where Gerry rememmbers.  More or less in the middle of the restaurant, but near the plastic wall.

*** Having skim read all Fionas statements, I think that "she" is Rachael.  I haven't the energy to read all Rachaels statements, but it has featured on here in the last couple of days anyway ... and most people will have seen it.

[Robittybob1]

I agree they could have seen the patio door if they got in a position to check it.  Nothing around that says they did this though is there.  The difference is in what is possible and what was actually done.  I have a feeling at 9:00 PM they did see someone around there.  But later it was too dark IMO.

[G-Unit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U

If Gerry is correct about where they sat in the video, then they sat at the tapas bar end of the restaurant, but within the restaurant ... and if the photo is taken from the same spot, then the view was much less good. 

However, we know that Gerry is not much good at remembering places where he chatted with people.  Remember how badly he got it wrong about where he and Jez stood talking IMO?

And as posted in the last couple of days on here, according to her statement, *** "she" said that from the dining table, "she" could see the patio doors to both their apartment and the Mccanns apartment, so imo, they must have sat near where I sat, rather than where Gerry rememmbers.  More or less in the middle of the restaurant, but near the plastic wall.

*** Having skim read all Fionas statements, I think that "she" is Rachael.  I haven't the energy to read all Rachaels statements, but it has featured on here in the last couple of days anyway ... and most people will have seen it.

In this case Gerry has independent verification;

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

[sadie]

In this case Gerry has independent verification;

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

No, that doesn't actually verify anything about the Tapas groups position; it just says that Arlindo saw the table as he walked back and no-one was there, but some of their clothing was.

I must admit that to begin with, I momentarily thought the same as you Gunit, but on thinking about it, I realised that I was wrong.

It just doesn't specify their position at all

[G-Unit]

No, that doesn't actually verify anything about the Tapas groups position; it just says that Arlindo saw the table as he walked back and no-one was there, but some of their clothing was.

I must admit that to begin with, I momentarily thought the same as you Gunit, but on thinking about it, I realised that I was wrong.

It just doesn't specify their position at all

I think it's quite clear. The table was not inside the restaurant because he left the restaurant before seeing it.