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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #390 on: August 03, 2018, 06:09:33 PM »
Yes, silly me for imagining that a bunch of experienced doctors watching over two sleeping children would be able to discern whether they were getting into difficulties or facing a life-threatening situation.

That’s not what you said. You said...

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... would have only resulted in the twins receiving the same sort of monitoring  as they were already receiving from the doctors on hand.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #391 on: August 03, 2018, 06:10:08 PM »
Unlike the movies, chloroform is not fast acting. A soaked rag held over a victim's face would take up to five minutes to render them unconscious. Once unconscious an individual would require additional applications to remain “under”. The effects of chloroform on a human is proportional to exposure and dosage.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #392 on: August 03, 2018, 06:12:07 PM »
Halothane is not a sedative....it's a very short acting anaesthetic..i don't think it would fit the bill as something that would have been given to the twins to keep them asleep..
It wasnt used to induce anaesthesia but to maintain it...often for several hours so that's when rare situations like halothane hepatitis might rarely occur..
If it was to produce problems their would be symptoms...and the twins didn't show these symptoms
Madeleine is missing and the twins are not so it is just an assumption the same substances were possibly used on all three of them.  The twins could have been sedated but Madeline given halothane for the short acting anaesthetic effect.
It is all hypothetical as we just do not know what happened.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #393 on: August 03, 2018, 06:14:46 PM »
That’s not what you said. You said...
It’s what I meant.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #394 on: August 03, 2018, 06:16:42 PM »
Unlike the movies, chloroform is not fast acting. A soaked rag held over a victim's face would take up to five minutes to render them unconscious. Once unconscious an individual would require additional applications to remain “under”. The effects of chloroform on a human is proportional to exposure and dosage.
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Well when I was a kid I went to the dentist and he sedated me with a cloth impregnated with something.  I was told to count  and I didn't stay conscious for long.  What substance would that have been 55 years ago?

Was it ether?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #395 on: August 03, 2018, 06:17:28 PM »
Madeleine is missing and the twins are not so it is just an assumption the same substances were possibly used on all three of them.  The twins could have been sedated but Madeline given halothane for the short acting anaesthetic effect.
It is all hypothetical as we just do not know what happened.

So basically we can make anything up and day it could have happened and should be taken seriously...it isn't what's possible it's what's probable that's important....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #396 on: August 03, 2018, 06:20:06 PM »
So basically we can make anything up and day it could have happened and should be taken seriously...it isn't what's possible it's what's probable that's important....
Are you saying the alleged abductor had lots of experience in the use of these sedatives?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #397 on: August 03, 2018, 06:21:20 PM »
Well when I was a kid I went to the dentist and he sedated me with a cloth impregnated with something.  I was told to count  and I didn't stay conscious for long.  What substance would that have been 55 years ago?

How long and how goods your memory from 55 hrs ago
Could have been lots of things but sounds an incredibly dangerous thing to do....could have been ether...
The point is how long were you out for...prob less than a minute...and that's all it takes to take s tooth out

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #398 on: August 03, 2018, 06:22:20 PM »
Are you saying the alleged abductor had lots of experience in the use of these sedatives?

I think sedation is unlikely

Offline faithlilly

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #399 on: August 03, 2018, 06:24:22 PM »
Kate admits that in the first 48 hours she and her husband were non functioning so not exactly ideal individuals for monitoring unresponsive children. Not one of their friends claim they made any attempt to monitor the children.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #400 on: August 03, 2018, 06:26:35 PM »
Kate admits that in the first 48 hours she and her husband were non functioning so not exactly ideal individuals for monitoring unresponsive children. Not one of their friends claim they made any attempt to monitor the children.
aIf they were non-functioning how do you expect them to have made rational decisions then?

PS: love the way you have me on ignore yet are still responding to my posts.  ^*&&
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #401 on: August 03, 2018, 06:28:58 PM »
What about the magic gas they use in France to put the whole household to sleep...seems to happen quite a lot
Yet doctors don't know what this gas is and it never seems to be used outside France...are french burglars expert anaesthetists

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #402 on: August 03, 2018, 06:32:07 PM »
Sceptics posters seem to think if they can't work out how something is done...then it must be impossible... faith couldn't work out how I do the job I do and post all day...so she assumes it's impossible....good example

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #403 on: August 03, 2018, 06:33:49 PM »
How long and how goods your memory from 55 hrs ago
Could have been lots of things but sounds an incredibly dangerous thing to do....could have been ether...
The point is how long were you out for...prob less than a minute...and that's all it takes to take s tooth out
It was a pretty traumatic time, so I remember that bit  "Dr Neumann" was the dentist.  I can't recall his first name.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?
« Reply #404 on: August 03, 2018, 06:35:46 PM »
It was a pretty traumatic time, so I remember that bit  "Dr Neumann" was the dentist.  I can't recall his first name.
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