Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Robittybob1]

And if what you say doesn’t represent a fair, objective and nuanced appraisal of the facts then I shall say so too.

And if it is opinion put IMO or make it clear it is your own thoughts.

[Vertigo Swirl]

And if it is opinion put IMO or make it clear it is your own thoughts.

As I did in my previous post.  IMO.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Who are you suggesting admisistered this sedation to allow this supposed abduction.

Well, this is one of those quick fix situations that makes a black hole- a bigger black hole.

Wondering why the children who were light sleepers  on many nights, became very deep sleepers that night even with all the chaos going on and windows open with winds blowing,causing doors to bang! on a cold night.  Kate, explains this by suggesting they were drugged.

My point is to get someone to stay unconscious for a length of time and not accidentally over dose them, that
'drugger person' would have to know weight ,height .age  and any known allergies which may conflict with what ever drug is used. KATE would know this as a trained anaesthetist.  So one has to wonder why she would suggest that. OR not explain it.

[Mr Gray]

Well, this is one of those quick fix situations that makes a black hole- a bigger black hole.

Wondering why the children who were light sleepers  on many nights, became very deep sleepers that night even with all the chaos going on and windows open with winds blowing,causing doors to bang! on a cold night.  Kate, explains this by suggesting they were drugged.

My point is to get someone to stay unconscious for a length of time and not accidentally over dose them, that
'drugger person' would have to know weight ,height .age  and any known allergies which may conflict with what ever drug is used. KATE would know this as a trained anaesthetist.  So one has to wonder why she would suggest that. OR not explain it.

The twins we're not unconscious...

[Miss Taken Identity]

The twins we're not unconscious...

Oh No?

Let us see what the book thingy says...

unconscious
ʌnˈkɒnʃəs/Submit
adjective
1.
not awake and aware of and responding to one's environment.

conscious
ˈkɒnʃəs/Submit
adjective
1.
aware of and responding to one's surroundings.

They were in such a very deep sleep! Mum thought they were drugged as an explanation, therefore being drugged they would be deemed unconscious.



So I look forward to your cite and explanation.

[Mr Gray]

Oh No?

Let us see what the book thingy says...

unconscious
ʌnˈkɒnʃəs/Submit
adjective
1.
not awake and aware of and responding to one's environment.

conscious
ˈkɒnʃəs/Submit
adjective
1.
aware of and responding to one's surroundings.

They were in such a very deep sleep! Mum thought they were drugged as an explanation, therefore being drugged they would be deemed unconscious.



So I look forward to your cite and explanation.

That's a very poor definition and would include someone who is, asleep.... The twins, were not unconscious

[John]

The biggest difference between someone who is asleep and someone who is unconscious is the fact that a sleeping person can be aroused if the stimulus is strong enough.  Apologies if I am wrong but I believe no attempt was made to arouse the sleeping twins.  If such an attempt had been made and was unsuccessful then one could claim they were unconscious and required intervention to bring them around.

[Mr Gray]

The biggest difference between someone who is asleep and someone who is unconscious is the fact that a sleeping person can be aroused if the stimulus is strong enough.  Apologies if I am wrong but I believe no attempt was made to arouse the sleeping twins.  If such an attempt had been made and was unsuccessful then one could claim they were unconscious and required intervention to bring them around.

Kate referred to sedation... That doesn't render someone unconscious... If the twins had been unconscious Kate would have been very concerned... She wasn't so I think it's, safe to assume they we're not unconscious

I think this is where a lot of the misunderstood criticism has, arisen... Some posters seem to think the twins, we're unconscious having been given some sort if general anaesthetic  rather than some sort of sedative... As an anaesthetist Kate would quickly be able to recognise the difference

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well, this is one of those quick fix situations that makes a black hole- a bigger black hole.

Wondering why the children who were light sleepers  on many nights, became very deep sleepers that night even with all the chaos going on and windows open with winds blowing,causing doors to bang! on a cold night.  Kate, explains this by suggesting they were drugged.

My point is to get someone to stay unconscious for a length of time and not accidentally over dose them, that
'drugger person' would have to know weight ,height .age  and any known allergies which may conflict with what ever drug is used. KATE would know this as a trained anaesthetist.  So one has to wonder why she would suggest that. OR not explain it.

We can discount the likelihood that Madeleine woke and wandered or got up and had an accident or accidentally died which leaves abduction, and would explain why she didn't wake up during the abduction.   

[John]

I caution posters that when replying to posts to phrase responses in such a manner that does not breach forum rules.  TY

[Miss Taken Identity]

That's a very poor definition and would include someone who is, asleep.... The twins, were not unconscious

Yes, those dictionaries can't be trusted. So, as you spoke with Kate ,obviously, why did she say they were drugged/sedated and who did this without medical knowledge? She obviously suggested it for some reason.
 It's great you have all this information to hand.

I know some weird doctors who say when you are in a deep sleep  this can be  classed as being unconscious.... again ppft what would they know...

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We can discount the likelihood that Madeleine woke and wandered or got up and had an accident or accidentally died which leaves abduction, and would explain why she didn't wake up during the abduction.   

My argument is quite simple. IF Kate suggested the children were drugged, she must have had a suspicion at the time- OR if going by that memory thingy they suffer from, and she had this as an afterthought then  whom did she think would do this. The fact she is an expert she could have at least explained how this could have been done. Considering the timing and knowledge of drugs and getting it right.

I do not know if the children were drugged or not. I am merely discussing what Kate said.

ps  a paedo gang would not take one child and leave the other two!!!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, those dictionaries can't be trusted. So, as you spoke with Kate ,obviously, why did she say they were drugged/sedated and who did this without medical knowledge? She obviously suggested it for some reason.
 It's great you have all this information to hand.

I know some weird doctors who say when you are in a deep sleep  this can be  classed as being unconscious.... again ppft what would they know...

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My argument is quite simple. IF Kate suggested the children were drugged, she must have had a suspicion at the time- OR if going by that memory thingy they suffer from, and she had this as an afterthought then  whom did she think would do this. The fact she is an expert she could have at least explained how this could have been done. Considering the timing and knowledge of drugs and getting it right.

I do not know if the children were drugged or not. I am merely discussing what Kate said.

ps  a paedo gang would not take one child and leave the other two!!!

It is not up to Kate to explain how a sedative may have been administered to  her children.  She may be an anaesthetist but as far as I know she is not an expert in drugging children in order to abduct them. 

[Miss Taken Identity]

The biggest difference between someone who is asleep and someone who is unconscious is the fact that a sleeping person can be aroused if the stimulus is strong enough.  Apologies if I am wrong but I believe no attempt was made to arouse the sleeping twins.  If such an attempt had been made and was unsuccessful then one could claim they were unconscious and required intervention to bring them around.

This is why people were questioning the sleep state of the children John. There was more than enough stimulus to awake  light sleepers! that night. They even suggested that they used a particular door so as not to wake the children!

There seems to be a misconception that skeptics are accusing Kate of drugging her children. It was Kate making accusations but not offering up any further information, as who it could have been and when did they get the opportunity owing to the  'checking  a lot more than usual that night' of the children, and how they know dosages...

[Miss Taken Identity]

It is not up to Kate to explain how a sedative may have been administered to  her children.  She may be an anaesthetist but as far as I know she is not an expert in drugging children in order to abduct them.

I take it you are not in the medical fraternity? because they always offer up reasoning for their judgements.  That is why I am asking why she didn't offer up her explanation of her judgement.

IMO Kate made an accusation against a imaginary stranger abductor.

Cite please. you know what Kate knows?

[G-Unit]

It is not up to Kate to explain how a sedative may have been administered to  her children.  She may be an anaesthetist but as far as I know she is not an expert in drugging children in order to abduct them.

She raised the possibility not us, therefore she must believe it was possible. I have looked at various substances and methods and in my opinion it wasn't possible.