Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So her only evidence for suggesting sedation was that they didn't wake up.

Seems so, do you have a problem with that?

[barrier]

kate was clear the twins were not in danger...why would things take a turn for the worse...waht would cause taht

If Kate was clear there was no danger then there was no sedation so where did suspicion of sedation arise from?

[G-Unit]

Seems so, do you have a problem with that?

Perhaps Kate should have told the police. In my opinion that would have been an interesting conversation.

"I think my children may have been sedated"
"What makes you think that?"
"Despite all the noise and disturbance they haven't woken up"
"Have you tried to waken them?"
"No"
"Why not?"
"They're breathing"

[Sunny]

Perhaps Kate should have told the police. In my opinion that would have been an interesting conversation.

"I think my children may have been sedated"
"What makes you think that?"
"Despite all the noise and disturbance they haven't woken up"
"Have you tried to waken them?"
"No"
"Why not?"
"They're breathing"

Exactly G Unit.  Kate allegedly went back into the flat and found Madeleine missing, she checked on the twins and found them strangely sleepy and they didn't awake despite all the noise of the search. She said she thought they may have been sedated yet didn't take them to hospital to check what had caused them to be so sleepy?

She was a trained anaesthetist yet even though apparently believing the twins to have been sedated she didn't think it important to get the twins checked out even though that would surely have helped in case whatever the twins were given may have even proved fatal to them as she wouldn't have known what they were given? 

Then she leaves it months to get the twins checked out for sedatives.     Really?

[faithlilly]

,by placing her hand on the childs abck it would be clear if the rate and depth of breathing was normal and hence no cause for concern....sedation is not general anaesthesia

Then why does Kate say in her book that she was concerned enough at their condition to alert a police officer to the fact ? You can’t have it both ways.

[G-Unit]

Then why does Kate say in her book that she was concerned enough at their condition to alert a police officer to the fact ? You can’t have it both ways.

"I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated" [madeleine]

GNR Officers Nelson da Costa and Jose Roque make no mention of this. Neither does the person translating for them; Silvia Batista.

We can only assume that they didn't hear Kate's reported fears and that she didn't make any further efforts to get their attention.

[faithlilly]

"I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated" [madeleine]

GNR Officers Nelson da Costa and Jose Roque make no mention of this. Neither does the person translating for them; Silvia Batista.

We can only assume that they didn't hear Kate's reported fears and that she didn't make any further efforts to get their attention.

 Fiona Payne who was with Kate most of the night makes no mention of it either nor, it would appear, did she raise her concerns with her husband.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Then why does Kate say in her book that she was concerned enough at their condition to alert a police officer to the fact ? You can’t have it both ways.

You can if you are KATE apparently...

Kate gave nauseating details about her missing daughters genitals  in her book. This was explained by supporters that being a doctor she would talk in this way.  So where are the details about her concern for her twins-checking her twins> she checked they were breathing?  were one or both in a coma? did she try to wake them?

Did Kate not suspect drug use- when the door banged and it didn't wake the children? or the cold night and wind blowing ect... nothing seemed to wake them..

[Brietta]

You can if you are KATE apparently...

Kate gave nauseating details about her missing daughters genitals  in her book. This was explained by supporters that being a doctor she would talk in this way.  So where are the details about her concern for her twins-checking her twins> she checked they were breathing?  were one or both in a coma? did she try to wake them?

Did Kate not suspect drug use- when the door banged and it didn't wake the children? or the cold night and wind blowing ect... nothing seemed to wake them..

Hmmmm ... it's a wee while since you've used that one 

I do agree though that it must be nauseating for the parent of a missing child to have to contemplate everything which might have happened or even be happening to that child and be nauseated dwelling on it.

What do you make of people who dwell on these aspects which must flood the nightmares of those who care about the missing ... who neither know or care about that child?

Don't you think that Kate being an anaesthetist and all and her doctor friend took the appropriate hands on reaction as they nursed the sleeping children?
Or do you wonder like Amaral ... what "We've let her down!" meant 

[G-Unit]

Hmmmm ... it's a wee while since you've used that one 

I do agree though that it must be nauseating for the parent of a missing child to have to contemplate everything which might have happened or even be happening to that child and be nauseated dwelling on it.

What do you make of people who dwell on these aspects which must flood the nightmares of those who care about the missing ... who neither know or care about that child?

Don't you think that Kate being an anaesthetist and all and her doctor friend took the appropriate hands on reaction as they nursed the sleeping children?
Or do you wonder like Amaral ... what "We've let her down!" meant 

I agree with Amaral when he wonders why Kate said nothing at the time.

[Robittybob1]

"I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated" [madeleine]

GNR Officers Nelson da Costa and Jose Roque make no mention of this. Neither does the person translating for them; Silvia Batista.

We can only assume that they didn't hear Kate's reported fears and that she didn't make any further efforts to get their attention.

The only alternative to that IMO is that the PJ and Silvia were in some conspiracy.
In fact if the two officers required a translator to understand Kate, it could be just Silvia's reluctance to pass on the message from Kate.  How would Kate know if her request was or wasn't passed on, if Silvia spoke Portuguese to the GNR officers?

[Brietta]

I agree with Amaral when he wonders why Kate said nothing at the time.

Amaral was the main man in the investigation ... haven't you ever wondered why he didn't order more than a sniffing test if there was any question of the children being drugged?

[Sunny]

Amaral was the main man in the investigation ... haven't you ever wondered why he didn't order more than a sniffing test if there was any question of the children being drugged?

Was he made aware that the twins may have been drugged? Did Kate flag her concerns up to the police in Portugal. In fact did she do so to anyone at the time. I can't recall reading anything in the files about this.

[Brietta]

Was he made aware that the twins may have been drugged? Did Kate flag her concerns up to the police in Portugal. In fact did she do so to anyone at the time. I can't recall reading anything in the files about this.

Read back on the thread.  Kate did raise concern immediately.

I also believe she raised the issue with the British FLO's. 

[Miss Taken Identity]

Hmmmm ... it's a wee while since you've used that one 

I do agree though that it must be nauseating for the parent of a missing child to have to contemplate everything which might have happened or even be happening to that child and be nauseated dwelling on it.

What do you make of people who dwell on these aspects which must flood the nightmares of those who care about the missing ... who neither know or care about that child?

Don't you think that Kate being an anaesthetist and all and her doctor friend took the appropriate hands on reaction as they nursed the sleeping children?
Or do you wonder like Amaral ... what "We've let her down!" meant 

"Hmmmm ... it's a wee while since you've used that one 

It wasn't me who  thought it or wrote it- so why does it bother you so much I mention it to make a comparison?

I do agree though that it must be nauseating for the parent of a missing child to have to contemplate everything which might have happened or even be happening to that child and be nauseated dwelling on it.

Yes, I agree. but then their behaviour in Portugal doesn't seem to equate to her concerns of such things...

What do you make of people who dwell on these aspects which must flood the nightmares of those who care about the missing ... who neither know or care about that child?

I do not presume to know.

Don't you think that Kate being an anaesthetist and all and her doctor friend took the appropriate hands on reaction as they nursed the sleeping children?

No, I don't think they did enough... If those children were suspected of being drugged- they apparently did nothing.

Or do you wonder like Amaral ... what "We've let her down!" meant   

I don't wonder like Amaral... what "We've let her down!" meant. I have a very good idea what she meant.