Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[faithlilly]

I was asking a question.  The Police Officer was a witness,  and unless he knew what the other witnesses had said about the twins not waking up,  how did he know they didn't wake up and go back to sleep again?   Unless Kate had mentioned it to him.

Just a guess but maybe because he has eyes ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, me either, but then we are not specialists or experts with access to medical information of the children, and if the drugging abductor was a stranger- he /she /they wouldn't have this either!

Edit:Forgot to add... the time factored in to administer this without getting caught!

We come back to why would Kate suggest  this ?

Why wouldn’t someone intent on kidnapping a child have knowledge of which drugs to use to sedate a child?

[Robittybob1]

I believe the first forensic examination included sniffing for odours.

Interesting, for that shows they might have considered the use of chloroform.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just a guess but maybe because he has eyes ?

He was there observing the twins continuously all night was he?

[Robittybob1]

She didn't tell them of her fears about the twins, though, did she?

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

They are working through the liaison officers, so I would hope the liaison officers passed that request on.

[Mr Gray]

I can find nothing which is easy to administer to a sleeping child and which keeps them sleeping for eight hours with no ill effects.

Intra Nasal ketamine delivered by atomiser.....but what would I know

[Sunny]

I don't see "Intra Nasal ketamine delivered by atomiser" working for 8 hours. It appears to be for short term sedation with the young patient being alert within 3 hours or so.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02402868

It can also possibly give a child nightmares

Ketamine may result in deeper sedation and is dose dependent, utilize the initial dose at 6mg/kg and repeated doses at 3mg/kg until desired sedation is achieved.
Be aware that ketamine causes a bitter taste (lyophilized) when administered
Behavioral changes (nightmares, enuresis nocturna, and irritability) in children less than five (unable to understand reasons for experience)
https://wikem.org/wiki/Intranasal_sedation


So hardly no side effects.  2 minutes on google.

So what do you know?

[Mr Gray]

I don't see "Intra Nasal ketamine delivered by atomiser" working for 8 hours. It appears to be for short term sedation with the young patient being alert within 3 hours or so.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02402868

It can also possibly give a child nightmares

Ketamine may result in deeper sedation and is dose dependent, utilize the initial dose at 6mg/kg and repeated doses at 3mg/kg until desired sedation is achieved.
Be aware that ketamine causes a bitter taste (lyophilized) when administered
Behavioral changes (nightmares, enuresis nocturna, and irritability) in children less than five (unable to understand reasons for experience)
https://wikem.org/wiki/Intranasal_sedation


So hardly no side effects.  2 minutes on google.

So what do you know?

A child who is sedated at 9 will sleep through the night....
It's a very good sedative for children and was used in the cave rescue in thailand

Every drug has side effects...

[Sunny]

But what about a child under 5 which is what I was talking about.

[Mr Gray]

But what about a child under 5 which is what I was talking about.

Gunit said she couldn't find any possible drug.....I offered one that I'm pretty sure she had not considered

[Sunny]

Very true but you said it was used on the boys in Thailand. As far as I can recall whatever they were given was to calm them down enough to get them out of the cave system. They needed to still be mobile not out cold.   Also as I have shown there are side effects to giving this drug and it also mainly needs to be replenished regularly to keep a child unconscious.

Can you show a cite where it can be given to 2 and 3 year olds, knock them unconscious for 8 hours with no side effects please?

[Mr Gray]

Very true but you said it was used on the boys in Thailand. As far as I can recall whatever they were given was to calm them down enough to get them out of the cave system. They needed to still be mobile not out cold.   Also as I have shown there are side effects to giving this drug and it also mainly needs to be replenished regularly to keep a child unconscious.

Can you show a cite where it can be given to 2 and 3 year olds, knock them unconscious for 8 hours with no side effects please?

The twins were not unconscious....I've given s possible sedative...I'm not interested in another pointless argument

[Sunny]

I didn't think you would be able to provide a cite Davel.

[Mr Gray]

I didn't think you would be able to provide a cite Davel.

I will let others judge if my post had any value...gunit said..sleep for 8 hrs....not knocked unconscious...

[Sunny]

I will let others judge if my post had any value...

If you were to provide a cite then it may be of even more value than you think it is.