Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Mr Gray]

If you were to provide a cite then it may be of even more value than you think it is.

Gunit never asked for a drug that could ...knock a child unconscious for 8 hrs...try reading her post again

For what gunit did ask...IN Ketamine is a good suggestion

[Sunny]

Gunit never asked for a drug that could ...knock a child unconscious for 8 hrs...try reading her post again

For what gunit did ask...IN Ketamine is a good suggestion

I think you will find that G Unit's post said pretty much exactly that and I quote

I can find nothing which is easy to administer to a sleeping child and which keeps them sleeping for eight hours with no ill effects.


And here is your link
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9913.msg476166#msg476166

[Mr Gray]

I think you will find that G Unit's post said pretty much exactly that and I quote

I can find nothing which is easy to administer to a sleeping child and which keeps them sleeping for eight hours with no ill effects.


And here is your link
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9913.msg476166#msg476166

No...you said..knocked unconscious for 8 hours...gunit said sleep for 8 hours...can you really not see the difference

[Mr Gray]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5358746/

Adequate sedation in children between 0 to 14. without any serious adverse effects

[ShiningInLuz]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5358746/

Adequate sedation in children between 0 to 14. without any serious adverse effects

Your link is an interesting article, albeit from March 2017.

"Ketamine is commonly used for procedural sedation and analgesia (PSA) in children."

I wonder what the state of play was in 2007, who would have access to the knowledge at that time, who would have access to Ketamine, who would have experience of using it on young children.

Those requirements seem to rule out 6 of the 7 arguidos, plus sundry other miscreants such as smellyman.

Jolly interesting read. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Your link is an interesting article, albeit from March 2017.

"Ketamine is commonly used for procedural sedation and analgesia (PSA) in children."

I wonder what the state of play was in 2007, who would have access to the knowledge at that time, who would have access to Ketamine, who would have experience of using it on young children.

Those requirements seem to rule out 6 of the 7 arguidos, plus sundry other miscreants such as smellyman.

Jolly interesting read. 

Which arguido are you not ruling out as having access to ketamine and why?

[misty]

Your link is an interesting article, albeit from March 2017.

"Ketamine is commonly used for procedural sedation and analgesia (PSA) in children."

I wonder what the state of play was in 2007, who would have access to the knowledge at that time, who would have access to Ketamine, who would have experience of using it on young children.

Those requirements seem to rule out 6 of the 7 arguidos, plus sundry other miscreants such as smellyman.

Jolly interesting read. 

Ketamine is also a recreational drug & can be acquired on the black market.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289345212_New_trends_of_Ketamine_consumption_in_Europe

[Robittybob1]

There was a long list of possible  sedatives when I looked into it.

[ShiningInLuz]

Ketamine is also a recreational drug & can be acquired on the black market.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289345212_New_trends_of_Ketamine_consumption_in_Europe

Time for bed Gonçalo said.

I'll read the article in the morning.

G'nite.

[G-Unit]

Intra Nasal ketamine delivered by atomiser.....but what would I know

Not bad, but it doesn't always work and when it does it lasts about an hour.
https://emj.bmj.com/content/31/9/789.2

[Mr Gray]

Not bad, but it doesn't always work and when it does it lasts about an hour.
https://emj.bmj.com/content/31/9/789.2

It provides clinical sedation for an hour....sedation enough to suture wounds ..it's sedative effect would not wear off after an hour..
Again .....it may not enable all children to be sutured....but it always sedates....to varying levels

[Robittybob1]

Can it be given to a child that is already asleep?

[Mr Gray]

Can it be given to a child that is already asleep?

Give a little first...then a little more after a few minutes

Yes...an atomiser spray into the nose

I'm not suggesting it was...just answering gunit post

[Lace]

Just a guess but maybe because he has eyes ?

Yes he does!!   He saw the twins asleep,   they searched the bedroom they were in,  he must have left the bedroom,  so how did he know they hadn't woken up and settled back to sleep?   IMO Kate told him they hadn't.

[faithlilly]

Yes he does!!   He saw the twins asleep,   they searched the bedroom they were in,  he must have left the bedroom,  so how did he know they hadn't woken up and settled back to sleep?   IMO Kate told him they hadn't.

Again Lace your opinion is irrelevant when the witness statements say otherwise.

If Kate had told him the twins were abnormally sleepy what reason would he have had for not summoning help ? Do you really think a police officer, perhaps with children of his own, would be so callous as to put the twins in danger ? Further why would he even mention the twins abnormally sleepy state when he knew he may be accused later on of ignoring their mother’s requests for help? Lastly who translated these requests for help ? It certainly wasn’t Silvia Batista.