Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[John]

It seems to me that if Madeleine was abducted then some substance must have been used to render her unconscious otherwise she would have screamed the place down.  The twins however might well have slept through the entire thing being totally oblivious that their older sister had been taken.

[jassi]

It seems to me that if Madeleine was abducted then some substance must have been used to render her unconscious otherwise she would have screamed the place down.  The twins however might well have slept through the entire thing being totally oblivious that their older sister had been taken.

Apparently they did.

[G-Unit]

Wisdom teeth would not be easy to extract, they are right at the back IMO

I think they're quite well rooted too. No doubt he struggled, I felt like a horse had kicked me in the face when I woke up.

[Brietta]

It seems to me that if Madeleine was abducted then some substance must have been used to render her unconscious otherwise she would have screamed the place down.  The twins however might well have slept through the entire thing being totally oblivious that their older sister had been taken.

I'm not sure about that ... she could have been frozen by fear.

If Madeleine's was an opportune abduction ... I think it unlikely she was drugged ... particularly as I've seen nothing said about that being in the mo of either the man who was carrying out the attacks on children in their homes in the area or the burglars who were operational in the holiday resort.

It would be likely that she had been subdued by the use of drugs if her abduction had been planned.  In my opinion there was enough eye witness observation recorded in the files to make a planned abduction a feasible possibility.

[Sunny]

I'm not sure about that ... she could have been frozen by fear.
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But didn't an abductor carry her through the streets. Surely she would at least be thrashing around to get away not lying still for up to 40 minutes in a stranger's arms.  I can't see being frozen by fear lasting that long particularly when moving around in the outside and past other people. This is IMO of course.  Perhaps you could explain Brietta.

[Brietta]

But didn't an abductor carry her through the streets. Surely she would at least be thrashing around to get away not lying still for up to 40 minutes in a stranger's arms.  I can't see being frozen by fear lasting that long particularly when moving around in the outside and past other people. This is IMO of course.  Perhaps you could explain Brietta.

Have you ever seen me claim that Madeleine was carried through the streets for forty minutes?

[Sunny]

No but the abductor would have had to carry her somewhere. Apologies I was looking at the time of Gerry's last sighting of Maddie to the Smith's sighting and assumed the abductor must have been walking around for up to (i did say up to) 40 minutes.  Do you believe in the smith sighting Brietta and could you see Madeleine lying frozen whilst being carried around the village?

Kate said she thought Madeleine would give them her "tuppenceworth" as I think I have read.

[Angelo222]

I'm not sure about that ... she could have been frozen by fear.

If Madeleine's was an opportune abduction ... I think it unlikely she was drugged ... particularly as I've seen nothing said about that being in the mo of either the man who was carrying out the attacks on children in their homes in the area or the burglars who were operational in the holiday resort.

It would be likely that she had been subdued by the use of drugs if her abduction had been planned.  In my opinion there was enough eye witness observation recorded in the files to make a planned abduction a feasible possibility.

A quick application of some substance over her mouth would have ensured there wasn't a squeak out of her which might have drawn attention to what was happening.  As for an opportune abduction from a bedroom, I've never heard of such a thing.

[Mr Gray]

A quick application of some substance over her mouth would have ensured there wasn't a squeak out of her which might have drawn attention to what was happening.  As for an opportune abduction from a bedroom, I've never heard of such a thing.

You would need to define that substance...it not as easy as it seems...imo...and from what I have heard chloroform leaves quite a lingering smell

[John]

You would need to define that substance...it not as easy as it seems...imo...and from what I have heard chloroform leaves quite a lingering smell

There are lots of household chemicals freely available off the shelf which if applied over the nose and mouth with a cloth will render a person temporarily unconscious almost immediately.  A quick surf around the internet identifies many of them so it wouldn't have been terribly difficult for any abductor to get his hands on them.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You don’t have to take my word for it. There are photographs I took while there on gerrymccannblogs.

My only interest in davel’s occupation is that he claims expertise that derives from it.

How do we know it was you who took the photographs?

[Vertigo Swirl]

It seems to me that if Madeleine was abducted then some substance must have been used to render her unconscious otherwise she would have screamed the place down.  The twins however might well have slept through the entire thing being totally oblivious that their older sister had been taken.

She could have been abducted asleep.  Why not?

[John]

She could have been abducted asleep.  Why not?

If the previous two nights were anything to go by then she had a predisposition to awakening in the night so that would suggest she would not have gone quietly.  Indeed, someone posted a quote from Kate earlier suggesting that she would have struggled with any would-be abductor.  So I can only surmise that some form of sedation would have been required to overcome her.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If the previous two nights were anything to go by then she had a predisposition to awakening in the night so that would suggest she would not have gone quietly.  Indeed, someone posted a quote from Kate earlier suggesting that she would have struggled with any would-be abductor.  So I can only surmise that some form of sedation would have been required to overcome her.

Personally I don’t believe a child that has been fast asleep is going to start kicking and screaming the second it is picked up out of bed and removed from the bedroom.

[John]

Personally I don’t believe a child that has been fast asleep is going to start kicking and screaming the second it is picked up out of bed and removed from the bedroom.

I suppose it depends on the child but Kate was adamant that Maddie would have kicked up a fuss.