Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Brietta]

Gerry McCanns rogatory

When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. When questioned, he says he never gave his children anything to help them sleep, nor did Kate. When asked why he did not ask the twins what happened to their sister, he says that when the events took place they still did not speak fluently, which is now a normal developmental difficulty. At this point he did not ask them because he thought that they would not have the correct perception of what had happened, in addition to thinking that they would have been sleeping.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

From the Guardian

9.05pm: Gerry returns to the apartment through the unlocked patio doors to check on the children. Earlier that week, the McCanns had used a key to go in through the front door next to the children's bedroom but, worrying the noise might wake the children, they began using the patio doors, leaving them unlocked.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/11/madeleinemccann

So Gerry thought it was "not normal" but didn't speak to the police about it until "several days later".

Sorry, you have completely confused me.  What exactly are you driving at?

[Sunny]

Sorry, you have completely confused me.  What exactly are you driving at?

Apologies if I wasn't clear but I was trying to explain that Gerry thought the twins sleeping was not normal yet only spoke to the police several days later.

When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later.

The other cite was to explain that they said they stopped using the front door in case it woke the children.

Basically the children weren't heavy sleepers so the twins not waking was not their normal behaviour.

[faithlilly]

If Madeleine died shortly after receiving a dose of this legal drug are you telling me it wouldn’t have been detectable at post-mortem?  I don’t understand what you’re suggesting by your undetected vomit comment.

It would have been detectable at post-mortem. That’s the point.

If the stain on Madeleine’s pyjama top was vomit, her parents may have been afraid she had vomited while they weren’t  there and that vomited, if found by the forensic team, would reveal the sedative in her system. This of course wouldn’t have been a problem unless sedation was also found in the remaining children.

[Brietta]

Apologies if I wasn't clear but I was trying to explain that Gerry thought the twins sleeping was not normal yet only spoke to the police several days later.

When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later.

The other cite was to explain that they said they stopped using the front door in case it woke the children.

Basically the children weren't heavy sleepers so the twins not waking was not their normal behaviour.

I did pick up on Gerry saying in his rog statement that the twins were never given anything to make them sleep by either him nor Kate.
I find nothing unusual in the children sleeping soundly ... but I do thoroughly understand the terror and the worry of parents trying to make sense of their daughter's disappearance and contemplating every avenue as to how that might have been effected.

I have seen Sean sleeping deeply in a noisy airport and in the midst of a media scrum ... I have therefore no compunction in thinking that he was capable of being deeply asleep despite the confusion outside his room in the aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It would have been detectable at post-mortem. That’s the point.

If the stain on Madeleine’s pyjama top was vomit, her parents may have been afraid she had vomited while they weren’t  there and that vomited, if found by the forensic team, would reveal the sedative in her system. This of course wouldn’t have been a problem unless sedation was also found in the remaining children.

Surely the McCanns would have been aware of any vomit before the forensic team?  And it still doesn’t explain why the McCanns would draw attention to sedation if they knew there was a chance that sedative was found in Madeleine’s body, particularly not if it was a sedative considered difficult to administer to a sleeping child.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Apologies if I wasn't clear but I was trying to explain that Gerry thought the twins sleeping was not normal yet only spoke to the police several days later.

When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later.

The other cite was to explain that they said they stopped using the front door in case it woke the children.

Basically the children weren't heavy sleepers so the twins not waking was not their normal behaviour.

Acording to some here the McCanns never mentioned it to the police for three months, so presumably these doubters must believe Gerry was lying in his statement, though the police would be suspicious of him for lying about such a poiint...

[faithlilly]

Surely the McCanns would have been aware of any vomit before the forensic team?  And it still doesn’t explain why the McCanns would draw attention to sedation if they knew there was a chance that sedative was found in Madeleine’s body, particularly not if it was a sedative considered difficult to administer to a sleeping child.

Was Madeleine’s body found then ?

I think it would have been quite obvious to the McCanns by the time they talked to the FLOs that it was unlikely that Madeleine’s body would be found.

[Robittybob1]

Gerry McCanns rogatory

When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. When questioned, he says he never gave his children anything to help them sleep, nor did Kate. When asked why he did not ask the twins what happened to their sister, he says that when the events took place they still did not speak fluently, which is now a normal developmental difficulty. At this point he did not ask them because he thought that they would not have the correct perception of what had happened, in addition to thinking that they would have been sleeping.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

From the Guardian

9.05pm: Gerry returns to the apartment through the unlocked patio doors to check on the children. Earlier that week, the McCanns had used a key to go in through the front door next to the children's bedroom but, worrying the noise might wake the children, they began using the patio doors, leaving them unlocked.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/11/madeleinemccann

So Gerry thought it was "not normal" but didn't speak to the police about it until "several days later".

Sunny - some very good work there.  You have taken on a very big task to try and understand this case quite a considerable time after the event. 

 Just to make it clear Gerry and Kate McCann did not do a rogatory interview like the other members of the Tapas 7.  They were involved in arguido interviews instead.  That word is in the URL you posted but you start off saying 
"Gerry McCanns rogatory".  it was Gerry McCanns arguido interview instead.  OK.

The PJ say they did a test on the pillow from the apartment for "chloroform and ether".  The test is not that well described and it is not clear when the test was performed or what exactly was done to prove "chloroform and ether" were not used.

I think the PJs point is that ""chloroform and ether" use would show abduction by a 3rd party, and what they had done was enough to eliminate 2 very likely chemicals that may have been used.

I would only be happy if I knew what test and when and proof that that test was reliable in the first place.

[Sunny]

Thank you Robittybob1 I am trying to pick it up and learn as I go along. That is why I joined here. Unfortunately as you have seen I have strong views too.

I am not sure whether or not any one used any sedatives on the children but I think the parents reaction was odd at the time by not taking them to the hospital for checking out if they had concerns. Of course this is my opinion.

[Robittybob1]

Was Madeleine’s body found then ?

I think it would have been quite obvious to the McCanns by the time they talked to the FLOs that it was unlikely that Madeleine’s body would be found.

OK that is opinion, but on a very serious note.  Why would "it be obvious to the McCanns by the time they talked to the FLOs that it was unlikely that Madeleine’s body would be found"?

Are you thinking they knew she was hidden in a place that would never be found?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Was Madeleine’s body found then ?

I think it would have been quite obvious to the McCanns by the time they talked to the FLOs that it was unlikely that Madeleine’s body would be found.

How on earth would they have been able to come to that conclusion after 2 days?!

[G-Unit]

Why, if they had sedated their own children, would the McCanns "start a rumour" within days that sedation was involved in Madeleine's disappearance?    How did they propagate this rumour and where is the evidence that they did so?

The Daily Express had a stab at it on 14th May.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The Daily Express had a stab at it on 14th May.

Cite please.

[Robittybob1]

The Daily Express had a stab at it on 14th May.

Cite please? 

[G-Unit]

Unlike some, I don't ignore requests for cites. Have you found one for the apartment being searched for drugs yet, Rob?


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