Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Vertigo Swirl]

UK editors and journalists have blamed the Portuguese press for the untrue stories they printed. The Portuguese press have claimed that they got their stories from the PJ.

As far as I know the PJ didn't investigate sedation in May 2007 and the Portuguese press didn't report on it either.

The Express got the story from somewhere or they invented it.

How can you be certain that the Portuguese press did not report this story in May 2007?  Why does the story have to come either from the PJ or the McCanns?

[Robittybob1]

Out of interest what items were forensicslly tested for the presence of sedatives?  Bedclothes?  Cuddlecat?

What does "forensically tested" really mean?  Can looking with your eyes and smelling something with your nose qualify as forensic testing?
For a simple answer (Wikipedia) "Forensic science is the application of science to criminal and civil laws, mainly—on the criminal side—during criminal investigation, as governed by the legal standards of admissible evidence and criminal procedure.

Forensic scientists collect, preserve, and analyze scientific evidence during the course of an investigation. While some forensic scientists travel to the scene of the crime to collect the evidence themselves, others occupy a laboratory role, performing analysis on objects brought to them by other individuals.[1]

[Robittybob1]

The forensic examination was carried out on the 4th. The FLO's arrived in Portugal on 5th.

Well I agree it started on the 4th.  Did they complete it in a day?

[G-Unit]

How can you be certain that the Portuguese press did not report this story in May 2007?  Why does the story have to come either from the PJ or the McCanns?

I haven't seen any evidence that the story was covered by the Portuguese media. I don't know who was interacting with the press in May 2007, but the PJ and the McCanns have both been accused of leaking stories. 
 

[G-Unit]

Well I agree it started on the 4th.  Did they complete it in a day?

There's no mention of it taking more than one day. There's also no mention of searching for drugs, Rob.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

[Robittybob1]

I haven't seen any evidence that the story was covered by the Portuguese media. I don't know who was interacting with the press in May 2007, but the PJ and the McCanns have both been accused of leaking stories.

For the McCanns to leak a story they would need to know about it first.

[Vertigo Swirl]

For the McCanns to leak a story they would need to know about it first.

IMO G-Unit is implying that the McCann made up the story and gave it to the Express two weeks after Madeleine’s disappearance, though quite why they should do this is anyone’s guess.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I haven't seen any evidence that the story was covered by the Portuguese media. I don't know who was interacting with the press in May 2007, but the PJ and the McCanns have both been accused of leaking stories.

Unless there is a database of all the news articles that appeared in the Portuguese press in May 2007 regarding this case for you to check I really don’t see how you could make a judgement about this either way.

[Robittybob1]

There's no mention of it taking more than one day. There's also no mention of searching for drugs, Rob.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

It is somewhere else then IIRC.

[Robittybob1]

I haven't seen any evidence that the story was covered by the Portuguese media. I don't know who was interacting with the press in May 2007, but the PJ and the McCanns have both been accused of leaking stories.

Can you give us an example of a story leaked by the McCanns please so I have an idea of what you are alleging.

[Sunny]

From what I can see the media made up the drugging story themselves.

Let's see: the media forwarded the hypothesis that the children could have been sedated to be kept asleep and allow some rest to the parents.

Distant in time Kate's father, the grandfather of the minor, Brian Healy, admits to the press that Kate could have administered some medication to the little girl, Calpol, to help the child (children'') to sleep, contrary to what his daughter Kate had stated.

Kate, through the PJ inspector that acted as 'liaison' with the family [NOTE: that is Ricardo Paiva], asked why samples weren't taken from the twins in order to test that hypothesis. She knew well enough at that time, more than 3 months later, that such exam would be inviable.

She went further and said that we ' the investigation ' should verify that the kidnapper had sedated Madeleine, to accomplish the action and he had also sedated the twins 'to consummate the act' however she didn't say that at the right moment.

And we know that the sedatives have timings to act and timings to be expelled, that varies between six and 200 hours.

The medical knowledge of the McCann is enough to know such, even if their professional activity never passed by performing toxicology exams.

From
A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

Modified to say perhaps all it really says is that Almeida didn't leak it and it was unlikely to be the police or he would have had an idea of what they were looking at when the stories broke, but it still could have been the McCanns but of course I cannot confirm this.

Back to original post.

[G-Unit]

Can you give us an example of a story leaked by the McCanns please so I have an idea of what you are alleging.

The so-called deal allegedly offered by the PJ was quickly related to
Philomena McCann who made sure it got to the UK media.

[Robittybob1]

From what I can see the media made up the drugging story themselves.

Let's see: the media forwarded the hypothesis that the children could have been sedated to be kept asleep and allow some rest to the parents.

Distant in time Kate's father, the grandfather of the minor, Brian Healy, admits to the press that Kate could have administered some medication to the little girl, Calpol, to help the child (children'') to sleep, contrary to what his daughter Kate had stated.

Kate, through the PJ inspector that acted as 'liaison' with the family [NOTE: that is Ricardo Paiva], asked why samples weren't taken from the twins in order to test that hypothesis. She knew well enough at that time, more than 3 months later, that such exam would be inviable.

She went further and said that we ' the investigation ' should verify that the kidnapper had sedated Madeleine, to accomplish the action and he had also sedated the twins 'to consummate the act' however she didn't say that at the right moment.

And we know that the sedatives have timings to act and timings to be expelled, that varies between six and 200 hours.

The medical knowledge of the McCann is enough to know such, even if their professional activity never passed by performing toxicology exams.

From
A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

Modified to say perhaps all it really says is that Almeida didn't leak it and it was unlikely to be the police or he would have had an idea of what they were looking at when the stories broke, but it still could have been the McCanns but of course I cannot confirm this.

Right before you get too carried away explain the sentence in your quote:
"The medical knowledge of the McCann is enough to know such, even if their professional activity never passed by performing toxicology exams."

What do you think that means?

[Robittybob1]

The so-called deal allegedly offered by the PJ was quickly related to
Philomena McCann who made sure it got to the UK media.

That was not actual evidence but a misunderstanding whether it was a plea bargain or not.  Anything else involving evidence?

[Sunny]

Right before you get too carried away explain the sentence in your quote:
"The medical knowledge of the McCann is enough to know such, even if their professional activity never passed by performing toxicology exams."

What do you think that means?

I have no idea as it is garbled.

Sorry, I wasn't using that part of the quote in my thinking that bit just got tagged on at the end .

My thinking was that Almeida was a senior officer with the police and he would surely know what investigations the PJ were carrying out when the pharmacy story appeared in the media. If they were doing nothing of the sort then it could be concluded that it wasn't a police leak.  So that leaves a McCann story or a media fantasy.