Is This True? ""partial footwear mark" found just outside Madeleine's bedroom"?

[Robittybob1]

"Bloody footprint revealed in Madeleine McCann case"  http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/6oct7/News-com-15-10-07.htm
new bit:

"tests showed only  "moderate" support - No.3 on the scale - to suggest it matched Madeleine McCann's DNA.

But what scientists believe is significant is that no traces of blood were found around the print.

"It is quite possible, therefore, that the blood had been picked up on the sole of the shoe from outside the apartment, from literally anywhere," a source close to the investigation said"

If the blood was picked up on the shoe I would say from experience that the source is reasonably close rather than what is reported  "from literally anywhere".  Anywhere reasonably close maybe?

[Robittybob1]

Another interesting bit "odd that Kate makes a point of mentioning her trainers and about the dog biting her leg".

Does anyone know the timing of that incident?

Found a reference with the full text "Wed 2nd May 2007

"... I left a little while later again, to go for a run with Matt. I'd bought a new pair of running shoes a few days before we left for Portugal, and they were certainly getting a good initiation. They were pink, which I wasn't quite sure about - I wondered how seriously a runner in pink trainers could be taken - but after a few outings in the sand they weren't looking quite so glaring and girly. As we ran along the promenade, a small dog jumped out from under a bench and attacked my right calf"
What sized shoe did Kate wear? https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3172-pink-running-shoes

[Robittybob1]

Looking for Kate's shoe size found this interesting report" 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/is-madeleine-mccann-in-reservoir-513599
"The partial print, believed to match Kate's shoe size, was apparently on floor tiles outside the bedroom and allegedly contained blood which tests showed was a "moderate" match to Madeleine's.

Reports said the same shoe was rested on the car bumper in a manner "consistent with someone lifting a body in or out of the boot".

But a source at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, which is helping Portuguese police, said they had not even tested the bumper of the car - which is in Portugal - "so they have not had anything to match with any other prints"."

So here they are saying Kate did have shoes around the 5 or 6 mark.

But look what they say about the FSS! "a source at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, which is helping Portuguese police, said they had not even tested the bumper of the car - which is in Portugal - "so they have not had anything to match with any other prints"."
Is that confirming they had been working on the bloodied footwear print?

[G-Unit]

Another interesting bit "odd that Kate makes a point of mentioning her trainers and about the dog biting her leg".

Does anyone know the timing of that incident?

Found a reference with the full text "Wed 2nd May 2007

"... I left a little while later again, to go for a run with Matt. I'd bought a new pair of running shoes a few days before we left for Portugal, and they were certainly getting a good initiation. They were pink, which I wasn't quite sure about - I wondered how seriously a runner in pink trainers could be taken - but after a few outings in the sand they weren't looking quite so glaring and girly. As we ran along the promenade, a small dog jumped out from under a bench and attacked my right calf"
What sized shoe did Kate wear? https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3172-pink-running-shoes

I wonder why Kate cared whether she was taken seriously as a runner?

[Robittybob1]

I wonder why Kate cared whether she was taken seriously as a runner?

Peer pressure would have a lot to do with it.

[Robittybob1]

There have been a lot of people, some even here, who would rather think the bloodied print within the apartment was just an invention by the press.  I disagree now for there are just too many references to the FSS, the lab that performed the DNA testing. 
I think it fits in with the concept of "woke and wandered" and "hurt on the way toward the secondary reception".  Imagine the odds of that; Kate walking back to do her check stepping on a drop of Madeleine's blood and the blood forming a print with the toe facing toward the bedroom door!  There are only 15 meters or so of shared path in that  scenario, but there needs to be some shared path for the blood to get onto the shoes of those who entered the apartment.
It is wrong to think the blood could have originated "anywhere", for the paths of Kate didn't take her everywhere, that night she walked to the Tapas at 8:30 and back at 10:00 when she walked  back to the apartment.  Plus the two trips for the alarm.  So she walked/ran the short section from the gate to the reception 4 times that night and that is about the extent of the places she went (according to her) and no one claims otherwise.

If it wasn't Kate's shoe tread pattern was it Fiona's for she was a small lady too, and may have taken a size 6 shoe.  2 recorded trips for Fiona.  Rachael does enter the apartment, and I'd say Jane took a larger shoe altogether.
It is a shame the shoe tread patterns were not available for us to compare.

[ShiningInLuz]

There have been a lot of people, some even here, who would rather think the bloodied print within the apartment was just an invention by the press.  I disagree now for there are just too many references to the FSS, the lab that performed the DNA testing. 
I think it fits in with the concept of "woke and wandered" and "hurt on the way toward the secondary reception".  Imagine the odds of that; Kate walking back to do her check stepping on a drop of Madeleine's blood and the blood forming a print with the toe facing toward the bedroom door!  There are only 15 meters or so of shared path in that  scenario, but there needs to be some shared path for the blood to get onto the shoes of those who entered the apartment.
It is wrong to think the blood could have originated "anywhere", for the paths of Kate didn't take her everywhere, that night she walked to the Tapas at 8:30 and back at 10:00 when she walked  back to the apartment.  Plus the two trips for the alarm.  So she walked/ran the short section from the gate to the reception 4 times that night and that is about the extent of the places she went (according to her) and no one claims otherwise.

If it wasn't Kate's shoe tread pattern was it Fiona's for she was a small lady too, and may have taken a size 6 shoe.  2 recorded trips for Fiona.  Rachael does enter the apartment, and I'd say Jane took a larger shoe altogether.
It is a shame the shoe tread patterns were not available for us to compare.

This is nonsense, IMO, and it's shame you are dragging it across this forum.  There is no such foot print in the PJ Files.

[Robittybob1]

This is nonsense, IMO, and it's shame you are dragging it across this forum.  There is no such foot print in the PJ Files.

What is shameful about it?  Explain that please.  I have been studying murder cases generally and it is common for the police to hold back some vital information.  Maybe the bloodied footwear print was an example of that.  But someone from the FSS seems to have slipped out some information about it. The PJ might have been completely unaware that this had happened.

I wonder if the papers still have a photo of the FSS lab data on the shoe print.

[G-Unit]

Peer pressure would have a lot to do with it.

Not her peers on the holiday; none of them claimed to be 'serious' runners.

[Brietta]

What is shameful about it?  Explain that please.  I have been studying murder cases generally and it is common for the police to hold back some vital information.  Maybe the bloodied footwear print was an example of that.  But someone from the FSS seems to have slipped out some information about it. The PJ might have been completely unaware that this had happened.

I wonder if the papers still have a photo of the FSS lab data on the shoe print.

In my opinion it would be a criminal offence for police to withhold vital forensic evidence from an investigation.

Your starting point should surely be that the allegation of forensic material as reported in the press has some provenance.
In my opinion provenance for this allegation would be in the forensic reports as recorded in the files.  There is no reference to a bloody footprint found at any location in the forensic reports.

In my opinion you are following entirely the wrong tack here.

[kizzy]

What is shameful about it?  Explain that please.  I have been studying murder cases generally and it is common for the police to hold back some vital information.  Maybe the bloodied footwear print was an example of that.  But someone from the FSS seems to have slipped out some information about it. The PJ might have been completely unaware that this had happened.

I wonder if the papers still have a photo of the FSS lab data on the shoe print.

According to GA he regrets sending forensics to birmingham  he must have his reasons.

[Brietta]

According to GA he regrets sending forensics to birmingham  he must have his reasons.

Had there been such a thing as a bloody footprint it would have been recorded by the Portuguese forensic team who carried out the scientific investigation of the apartment on the 4th May.

The FSS were not involved at this stage.

[ShiningInLuz]

What is shameful about it?  Explain that please.  I have been studying murder cases generally and it is common for the police to hold back some vital information.  Maybe the bloodied footwear print was an example of that.  But someone from the FSS seems to have slipped out some information about it. The PJ might have been completely unaware that this had happened.

I wonder if the papers still have a photo of the FSS lab data on the shoe print.

See Brietta's response.

The FSS was not involved this early on in the investigation.

[G-Unit]

See Brietta's response.

The FSS was not involved this early on in the investigation.

They only got involved following the visit of Grime and his dogs. No footprints were found then because the apartment had been cleaned and let out in between times.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I wonder why Kate cared whether she was taken seriously as a runner?

I think you might be taking her comment a bit too seriously.