"Start by asking yourself what is a sceptic and work on from there"

[jassi]

I trust you will cease referring to “supporters “ on this forum then?

It's been approved as an acceptable term on this forum. If you don't like it, please feel free to go somewhere else.

[Mr Gray]

It's been approved as an acceptable term on this forum. If you don't like it, please feel free to go somewhere else.

So has sceptics so gunit should do the same in your view

[Robittybob1]

right we so called skeptics  have our own minds

Some do.

[John]

It is easy to be sceptical in the McCann case given the changes in stories, the conflicting versions of events, the invisible woman and the refusal to cooperate with police while in Portugal and when the group returned home to England.  In fact, I would call the behaviour unprecedented in the annals of child disappearance cases.

The police viewed it as extremely suspicious and rightly so IMO.  What I find rather puzzling though is why supporters accept it all with such a tiny pinch of salt but then many also think Leonor Cipriano to be the embodiment of virtue when in fact she is a fantasist and a compulsive liar.

[Mr Gray]

The police viewed it as extremely suspicious and rightly so IMO.

The initial investigation  did... But not so both present investigations.. Imo

[Mr Gray]

The police viewed it as extremely suspicious and rightly so IMO.

The initial investigation had a very poor understanding  if the evidence imo
Leading it in the wring direction.. Imo

[Robittybob1]

It is easy to be sceptical in the McCann case given the changes in stories, the conflicting versions of events, the invisible woman and the refusal to cooperate with police while in Portugal and when the group returned home to England.  In fact, I would call the behaviour unprecedented in the annals of child disappearance cases.

What colour hair did the invisible woman have?   "The invisible woman" - Was that a reference to Jane BTW?

[Robittybob1]

The initial investigation  did... But not so both present investigations.. Imo

OK so you have an opinion but what is supporting that? I'm hoping it is based on established fact.

[Mr Gray]

OK so you have an opinion but what is supporting that? I'm hoping it is based on established fact.

It is based on all the statements from both police forces

[John]

We have discussed this before... Belief based on an appreciation of the evidence..

Almost the whole of justice is based on belief... What the jury believes.. Ciprianos conviction was based on belief... One judge believed she was not guilty

I think you will find that there is a gulf of a difference between the statements 'one judge believed she was not guilty' and 'one judge felt that there was insufficient evidence to convict'.  The Cipriano case falling into the latter category.

[John]

The initial investigation  did... But not so both present investigations.. Imo

We just don't know what SY or the PJ currently think.  Second guessing them is unhelpful IMO.

[Mr Gray]

I think you will find that there is a gulf of a difference between the statements 'one judge believed she was not guilty' and 'one judge felt that there was insufficient evidence to convict'.  The Cipriano case falling into the latter category.

I was making a point taht most verdicts are based on belief...what the jury beleives...verdicts can take hours and days to be decided...at the end of the day its what the jury believes

[G-Unit]

I'm more than happy to be labelled ad a McCann supporter... But not an arse licker as one of your fellow sceptics posted

It's not the label it's the assumptions behind the label. Like 'sceptics don't understand the evidence'. A very sweeping statement about a certain group of people who have been given that label.

[John]

What colour hair did the invisible woman have?   "The invisible woman" - Was that a reference to Jane BTW?

Your quick today Robbie.   

[Mr Gray]

We just don't know what SY or the PJ currently think.  Second guessing them is unhelpful IMO.

we know what they have told us...its clear imo the mccanns are not being investigated...i dont think it involves any guesswork