"Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There”

[misty]

Nice opinion piece Brietta, because that is all it is IMO.

Would you still have the same opinion if a Supporter had been the subject of Sky's 24hr trollathon & then committed suicide?

[Robittybob1]

Would you still have the same opinion if a Supporter had been the subject of Sky's 24hr trollathon & then committed suicide?

What would they say if Kate McCann committed suicide?

[carlymichelle]

Nice opinion piece Brietta, because that is all it is IMO.

another  feel sorry  for the  mccans woe is them article imo

[Brietta]

Nice opinion piece Brietta, because that is all it is IMO.

"Leyland was someone's mother, but so is Kate McCann, the woman she so mercilessly taunted online. Everyone on the receiving end of this kind of viral vomit is someone's daughter or someone's son."

Two facts there making a sound basis for an 'opinion piece' ... in my opinion.

[Angelo222]

Exposing troll was the right thing to do
I DO NOT buy into this idea that Twitter troll Brenda Leyland should have been ignored instead of exposed.
By CAMILLA TOMINEY
PUBLISHED: 09:31, Sun, Oct 12, 2014

There have been calls for Martin Brunt, the Sky News reporter who outed her, to be sacked after she was found dead in a hotel room two days later.

Talk about shooting the messenger.

Yes, Leyland was someone's mother, but so is Kate McCann, the woman she so mercilessly taunted online. Everyone on the receiving end of this kind of viral vomit is someone's daughter or someone's son. The solution is not for victims to simply grow a thicker skin.

Should Stella Creasy, the Labour MP who was threatened with rape for supporting a crusade to have women featured on the new £10 note, just have shrugged her shoulders and got on with it? Of course not.

Trolls like Leyland publish these online diatribes precisely because they have been able to get away with it for so long. Even Creasy said the police did not take the harassment seriously at first because it was happening online rather than in person. She was one of the lucky ones. Thanks in part to her high-profile position as a leading politician, her perpetrator, Peter Nunn, was jailed for 18 weeks last month.

However if the law cannot always bring these online offenders to However if the law cannot always bring these online offenders to justice then the task inevitably falls to journalists like Brunt. Some have criticised his decision to target Leyland because she did not actually threaten to kill the McCanns, unlike other trolls. But she did send thousands of hate tweets. Some days she would send more than 50 messages attacking the McCanns.

Had she hurled this abuse at the couple in the street, she would have been hauled off in handcuffs. Instead she continued to publish with impunity, safe from scrutiny at home in Burton Overy, just 15 miles from where the McCanns live in Leicestershire. Yes, these were the acts of an obsessed loner but "being an oddball" is not a defence to this sort of criminal behaviour.

Which brings us to Leyland's state of mind. As the inquest has not yet been carried out into her "non-suspicious" death, it would be wrong to pre-empt the coroner's verdict. But why has there been so much focus on Leyland's mental health and not the McCanns'? I cannot imagine they have been faring well psychologically since three-year-old Madeleine went missing in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.

There is an old adage that you should not dish it out if you cannot take it back.

We are all responsible for what we say, and that includes on social networking sites. What goes online, stays online. These words do not just disappear into the ether once you press "post", they are preserved for eternity.

A "Sack Martin Brunt" Facebook page has been set up in Leyland's memory which has already attracted more than 1,000 likes. While I feel sympathy for anyone who has lost a loved one, what are her supporters trying to achieve? Brunt was not trolling Leyland. All he did was reveal her identity. I hope he exposes as many others as possible.

Speaking after she was confronted, Leyland admitted: "I regret what I've done". She might have lived a lie but at least she died with the dignity of finally being honest with herself. Her death will not be in vain if it finally makes trolls think twice before tweeting, serving as a reminder that they are only ever a mouse click away from being unmasked.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/camilla-tominey/521746/Camilla-Tominey-McCanns-trolls-wake-up-selfies-the-real-Prince-Phillip

Camilla Tominey is no better than Brunt or the Sky News producer for that matter who sanctioned the door stepping.  Brunt disappeared for weeks after the incident and was lucky he kept his job imo.  It was Brunt and Sky News' job to report the news, not create it.

[faithlilly]

"Leyland was someone's mother, but so is Kate McCann, the woman she so mercilessly taunted online. Everyone on the receiving end of this kind of viral vomit is someone's daughter or someone's son."

Two facts there making a sound basis for an 'opinion piece' ... in my opinion.

Do you condone trial by media then ? Or only when it happens to the McCanns ?
Where you horrified when Sonia Paulton doorstepped Kate McCann ?

[Brietta]

Nice opinion piece Brietta, because that is all it is IMO.

"Trolls like Leyland publish these online diatribes precisely because they have been able to get away with it for so long. Even Creasy said the police did not take the harassment seriously at first because it was happening online rather than in person. She was one of the lucky ones. Thanks in part to her high-profile position as a leading politician, her perpetrator, Peter Nunn, was jailed for 18 weeks last month."
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/camilla-tominey/521746/Camilla-Tominey-McCanns-trolls-wake-up-selfies-the-real-Prince-Phillip

As far as I am aware the practice of internet trolling carries on apace, which would appear to back up the opinion that the lack of zero tolerance makes it a reasonably safe, if cowardly, thing to do.

An opinion backed up by Stella Creasy who says that because it wasn't in her face but was happening online, the abuse she complained of wasn't taken seriously by the police.
She however was in the fortunate position of being able to do something about that ... raising the question of does one require to be a politician to be entitled to avail oneself of recourse to the law?

Shades of a dossier detailing instances of the internet being used for abuse being presented to the police, methinks.

[faithlilly]

"Trolls like Leyland publish these online diatribes precisely because they have been able to get away with it for so long. Even Creasy said the police did not take the harassment seriously at first because it was happening online rather than in person. She was one of the lucky ones. Thanks in part to her high-profile position as a leading politician, her perpetrator, Peter Nunn, was jailed for 18 weeks last month."
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/camilla-tominey/521746/Camilla-Tominey-McCanns-trolls-wake-up-selfies-the-real-Prince-Phillip

As far as I am aware the practice of internet trolling carries on apace, which would appear to back up the opinion that the lack of zero tolerance makes it a reasonably safe, if cowardly, thing to do.

An opinion backed up by Stella Creasy who says that because it wasn't in her face but was happening online, the abuse she complained of wasn't taken seriously by the police.
She however was in the fortunate position of being able to do something about that ... raising the question of does one require to be a politician to be entitled to avail oneself of recourse to the law?

Shades of a dossier detailing instances of the internet being used for abuse being presented to the police, methinks.

Was the individual who threatened Stella Creasy doorstepped or was he allowed every UK citizens right to due process ?

Unfortunately if BL has been charged Sky would have prejudiced her trial so thoroughly it could certainly be argued that she would not have had a fair trial.

[Brietta]

Do you condone trial by media then ? Or only when it happens to the McCanns ?
Where you horrified when Sonia Paulton doorstepped Kate McCann ?

The thread title is ""Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There” ".

One would have assumed that you would have been au fait with that and anxious to push your case since you raised it.

Was Brenda Leyland a supporter?  I think not ... so why is this poor troubled woman being used and shamed in death as she was in life to continue what in my opinion is a very sick agenda of abuse?

[Brietta]

Was the individual who threatened Stella Creasy doorstepped or was he allowed every UK citizens right to due process ?

Unfortunately if BL has been charged Sky would have prejudiced her trial so thoroughly it could certainly be argued that she would not have had a fair trial.

Stella Creasey's abuser was charged with an offence ... was tried  ... and was subsequently convicted and given a prison sentence for his use of the internet to abuse her.

What steps have been taken by the police to curtail the internet abuse directed at the McCann family and any associated with them?

[faithlilly]

The thread title is ""Start by Asking Yourself What is a Supporter and Work on from There” ".

One would have assumed that you would have been au fait with that and anxious to push your case since you raised it.

Was Brenda Leyland a supporter?  I think not ... so why is this poor troubled woman being used and shamed in death as she was in life to continue what in my opinion is a very sick agenda of abuse?

Didn’t you post this  ?
"Leyland was someone's mother, but so is Kate McCann, the woman she so mercilessly taunted online. Everyone on the receiving end of this kind of viral vomit is someone's daughter or someone's son."

And you lecture me about this undoubtedly poor woman being used and shamed.

Once again do you believe that any U.K. citizen should be tried by the media or are we all entitled to due process ? ( deletion will suffice as an answer if you are too cowardly to answer properly....and yes the points will be worth it )

[Brietta]

Didn’t you post this  ?
"Leyland was someone's mother, but so is Kate McCann, the woman she so mercilessly taunted online. Everyone on the receiving end of this kind of viral vomit is someone's daughter or someone's son."

And you lecture me about this undoubtedly poor woman being used and shamed.

Once again do you believe that any U.K. citizen should be tried by the media or are we all entitled to due process ? ( deletion will suffice as an answer if you are too cowardly to answer properly....and yes the pints will be worth it )

Reference to Brenda Leyland made an appearance on page 2 #23 of this thread  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9996.msg481384#msg481384 and perhaps even before if comment a couple of posts above is anything to go by.

I entered the discussion http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9996.msg481695#msg481695 on page 10   #148

Please don't break forum rules in an attempt to goad me ... much better since you are the one who brought this thread into being ... to stick to the topic while sticking to forum etiquette when posting.

[Sunny]

Would you still have the same opinion if a Supporter had been the subject of Sky's 24hr trollathon & then committed suicide?

Yes I would misty.

What happened to Brenda Leyland wasn't just a Sky "24hr trollathon" it was a two pronged attack with Martin Brunt tackling her outside her home (but not naming her) followed by the Daily Mail naming her and giving full information on her.  Then most of the rest of the media (as they are wont to do) went ahead screaming TROLL at this elderly woman. 

Both these outlets were given Brenda's name and details from those who created the dossier. 

[G-Unit]

Really?  The media has been instrumental in bringing so many cases to justice that were previously ignored by the police.

I'm talking about a group of people who took it upon themselves to ferret out other people's personal details because they said things online that the group didn't like. No crime was committed so there was no-one to 'bring to justice'.

Amendment added
It seems Brunt admitted to finding out who she was, so I was mistaken. It still doesn't make what any of them did justifiable in my opinion.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9996.msg481726#msg481726

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm talking about a group of people who took it upon themselves to ferret out other people's personal details because they said things online that the group didn't like. No crime was committed so there was no-one to 'bring to justice'.

How do you know they ferreted out people’s personal details?  I was under the impression the dossier was just a bunch of rather troubling posts and tweets  off the internet by anonymous usernames..