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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Eleanor on May 12, 2020, 07:56:05 AM
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I go around other people's houses straightening their pictures, lining up their ornaments and tidying their knife and fork drawers. Mine don't need it, obviously.
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I go around other people's houses straightening their pictures, lining up their ornaments and tidying their knife and fork drawers. Mine don't need it, obviously.
I hope they pay you. My cleaner re-positions all my framed photos on top of my bureau every week so that they are all at a 45 degree angle to the wall and every week I put them back as they were. You’d think she’d have got the message after 2 years of it.
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I hope they pay you. My cleaner re-positions all my framed photos on top of my bureau every week so that they are all at a 45 degree angle to the wall and every week I put them back as they were. You’d think she’d have got the message after 2 years of it.
The urge is irresistible. You are probably making her very happy.
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No.
Phew!!
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I go around other people's houses straightening their pictures, lining up their ornaments and tidying their knife and fork drawers. Mine don't need it, obviously.
My mother once came to stay at my house. I did a load of washing and pegged it out but when I looked again she was out there changing it all around. She had fixed ideas about which way up washing should be pegged. She was very particular about her ornaments too, I stopped doing her dusting because she always repositoned the ornaments afterwards. I wonder if she had OCD?
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My mother once came to stay at my house. I did a load of washing and pegged it out but when I looked again she was out there changing it all around. She had fixed ideas about which way up washing should be pegged. She was very particular about her ornaments too, I stopped doing her dusting because she always repositoned the ornaments afterwards. I wonder if she had OCD?
I can get a bit shirty about hanging out washing. Nappies had to be hung the same way up. My Mother in Law nearly drove me mad hanging them higgldy piggldy.
However, there is sense to this. If you hang things longways then you can get more on the washing line. A lot of my OCD takes this sort of thing into consideration.
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I can get a bit shirty about hanging out washing. Nappies had to be hung the same way up. My Mother in Law nearly drove me mad hanging them higgldy piggldy.
However, there is sense to this. If you hang things longways then you can get more on the washing line. A lot of my OCD takes this sort of thing into consideration.
I'm the LEAST domesticated person ever, but one of my foibles is colour-coding, not just the washing as I hang it on the line, but the pegs, too. Having said that, where I see symmetry, I have to create Asymmetry!!!
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I can get a bit shirty about hanging out washing. Nappies had to be hung the same way up. My Mother in Law nearly drove me mad hanging them higgldy piggldy.
However, there is sense to this. If you hang things longways then you can get more on the washing line. A lot of my OCD takes this sort of thing into consideration.
The difference seems to be that those with OCD get agitated if someone doesn't do things their way. Those without it are just happy it's getting done.
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I'm the LEAST domesticated person ever, but one of my foibles is colour-coding, not just the washing as I hang it on the line, but the pegs, too. Having said that, where I see symmetry, I have to create Asymmetry!!!
Buy wooden pegs, all the same colour. However, I do like Angles.
PS. It sounds to me as though everybody on here has Obsessive Compulsive Syndrome. All raving nuts in other words.
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The difference seems to be that those with OCD get agitated if someone doesn't do things their way. Those without it are just happy it's getting done.
My son and I nearly fell out last week when I told him he was hanging Jeans up the wrong way by the legs. But they all came off the line with Peg Marks on the bottom and the Waist Bands took ages longer to dry. And the T Shirts were all stretched out of shape because he hung them up by the bottom hems.
I suppose I should have been grateful that he did it at all. But I would so much rather do it myself. There is logic to practically everything I do, which saves me effort in the long run.
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Buy wooden pegs, all the same colour. However, I do like Angles.
PS. It sounds to me as though everybody on here has Obsessive Compulsive Syndrome. All raving nuts in other words.
I think there's a little bit, in each of us, of every disorder known to man. Probably registering a 1-3 on a 1-10 spectrum.
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I go around other people's houses straightening their pictures, lining up their ornaments and tidying their knife and fork drawers. Mine don't need it, obviously.
I confine it to my own home but I like everything ordered and systemised! Eg all food in cupboards, fridge, freezer etc arranged in a certain way. Everything has a place! Towels and bedding have to be folded a certain way. Once a 1/4 I have super cleans where I clean nooks and crannies with cotton buds. I have an outside vacuum for my car which I spend the best part of a day cleaning. That's normal isn't it?!
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I confine it to my own home but I like everything ordered and systemised! Eg all food in cupboards, fridge, freezer etc arranged in a certain way. Everything has a place! Towels and bedding have to be folded a certain way. Once a 1/4 I have super cleans where I clean nooks and crannies with cotton buds. I have an outside vacuum for my car which I spend the best part of a day cleaning. That's normal isn't it?!
I use cotton buds for cleaning too. Doesn't everyone?
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I confine it to my own home but I like everything ordered and systemised! Eg all food in cupboards, fridge, freezer etc arranged in a certain way. Everything has a place! Towels and bedding have to be folded a certain way. Once a 1/4 I have super cleans where I clean nooks and crannies with cotton buds. I have an outside vacuum for my car which I spend the best part of a day cleaning. That's normal isn't it?!
I think it's entirely your business how you organise your life, just as it's entirely my business how I organise mine. Problems arise when any of us get upset by/try to impose our views on/interfere in other's preferences.
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I think there's a little bit, in each of us, of every disorder known to man. Probably registering a 1-3 on a 1-10 spectrum.
I was including myself in that statement, by the way. So you can put me on about 7, but only on a good day.
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I confine it to my own home but I like everything ordered and systemised! Eg all food in cupboards, fridge, freezer etc arranged in a certain way. Everything has a place! Towels and bedding have to be folded a certain way. Once a 1/4 I have super cleans where I clean nooks and crannies with cotton buds. I have an outside vacuum for my car which I spend the best part of a day cleaning. That's normal isn't it?!
Is it Normal? Oh My. My OCD never extends to Cleaning. My car is a tip and I dust once a year, whether it need it or not. And sometimes not even then.
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I use cotton buds for cleaning too. Doesn't everyone?
What is a Cotton Bud?
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I think it's entirely your business how you organise your life, just as it's entirely my business how I organise mine. Problems arise when any of us get upset by/try to impose our views on/interfere in other's preferences.
Yes and you have to accept other family members might not share these idiosyncrasies! I've always sorted the communal rooms and I always insisted the children from a young age clean and tidy their own rooms however they wished to do them. My Pete has his home office and I rarely venture in. It's full of tat like VHS vids, taped music and back copies of magazines if I'm feeling unkind I threaten to order a skip to get it all dumped!
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What is a Cotton Bud?
They're for cleaning your lug'oles out... even though it's so passé these days.
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What is a Cotton Bud?
In France it's a coton-tige. They were invented as a baby hygene product, but people used them for all sorts of things. The plastic stemmed ones were horrific and are now banned;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50016878
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In France it's a coton-tige. They were invented as a baby hygene product, but people used them for all sorts of things. The plastic stemmed ones were horrific and are now banned;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50016878 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50016878)
In Scotland, but elsewhere? And that's only because celts with no common sense flushed them down the loo.
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They're for cleaning your lug'oles out... even though it's so passé these days.
Try Hydrogen Peroxide. That'll blow year ears clean. No Cotton Buds required.
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In Scotland, but elsewhere? And that's only because celts with no common sense flushed them down the loo.
Excuse Me. I'm a Celt and I never put plastic down my Sceptic Tank.
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Try Hydrogen Peroxide. That'll blow year ears clean. No Cotton Buds required.
Better still, book a visit to your health centre for an ear syringe, but make sure you don't end up with a sadistic nurse who sets her machine on its highest setting which has a similar effect to firing a nailgun into your eardrum.
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Yes and you have to accept other family members might not share these idiosyncrasies! I've always sorted the communal rooms and I always insisted the children from a young age clean and tidy their own rooms however they wished to do them. My Pete has his home office and I rarely venture in. It's full of tat like VHS vids, taped music and back copies of magazines if I'm feeling unkind I threaten to order a skip to get it all dumped!
You didn't mention the type of magazines... Fishing, Computer, Law or Dirty?
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You didn't mention the type of magazines... Fishing, Computer, Law or Dirty?
Navy News, despite never having been in the navy, but there's probably mucky ones in there too!
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I assume you think there's no need for psychiatrists and psychologists then? Are those of average intelligence able to replace any other medical professionals in your opinion? It would save the NHS a fortune in wages if so.
You’re just being facetious
Psychiatrists are TRAINED in medicine; they’re TRAINED to diagnose and treat patients, with various therapies including prescribing medication. You know that, so don’t talk nonsense. I actually dated a psychiatrist for six months when I was 19 and obviously met his friends who were mainly in medicine too. We occasionally had discussions about psychiatry and he was always amazed at how my theories were usually spot on; not so much with mental illnesses but psychology and “reading” people.
So yes, people without going to medical school and becoming a qualified psychiatrist can indeed detect when there’s something “amiss” with someone. They can’t be certain, of course, but most people can spot disturbed people, I believe.
I’ve met psychopaths and one trait they ALL share is their gaze: their eyes remind me of a shark’s. They’re kind of dead, yet bore through you. Sometimes it’s more subtle, and not everyone picks up on it, but their eyes always have a certain look. It’s hard to see in photographs, but you’d recognise it if you met one.
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You’re just being facetious
Psychiatrists are TRAINED in medicine; they’re TRAINED to diagnose and treat patients, with various therapies including prescribing medication. You know that, so don’t talk nonsense. I actually dated a psychiatrist for six months when I was 19 and obviously met his friends who were mainly in medicine too. We occasionally had discussions about psychiatry and he was always amazed at how my theories were usually spot on; not so much with mental illnesses but psychology and “reading” people.
So yes, people without going to medical school and becoming a qualified psychiatrist can indeed detect when there’s something “amiss” with someone. They can’t be certain, of course, but most people can spot disturbed people, I believe.
I’ve met psychopaths and one trait they ALL share is their gaze: their eyes remind me of a shark’s. They’re kind of dead, yet bore through you. Sometimes it’s more subtle, and not everyone picks up on it, but their eyes always have a certain look. It’s hard to see in photographs, but you’d recognise it if you met one.
However psychiatrists diagnose someone with psychopathy, I'd bet you that looking at their eyes plays no part whatsoever!
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However psychiatrists diagnose someone with psychopathy, I'd bet you that looking at their eyes plays no part whatsoever!
There overall demeanour and behaviour whilst being interviewed probsbly would, and eyes are a window into the soul (if there is one). These are not exact sciences after all.
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No, I don't. As far as I'm aware, I'm of at least average intelligence, and I have no idea whether or not JB is a psychopath.
I agree with you re Beethoven, but not everyone likes his music, by the way!
How do you mean “as far as you’re aware” you’re of at least average intelligence? Is that you making assumptions or have you taken an IQ test? I’ve taken one, at Mensa, when I was invited to after passing a Mensa test I saw advertised. They wrote back saying I’d scored 142 and so I went to be tested — I thought it might be fun being a Mensa member🧐
In the event, the test was strictly monitored and timed (there were about a dozen people taking it), and the examiner was somewhat intimidating which made my mind go blank. I knew I’d failed when I got to the spatial tests (my weak point) and started guessing as that darned clock ticked away. It wasn’t too bad, though, they wrote to me and said I’d scored 136 (you need 140 to pass) and said I could resit it after a year, but I never bothered...my daughter took the test too, (months after I did) and she also scored high (138), so I suspect intelligence may be inherited.
I wonder what Jeremy Bamber’s is?
I have always though him dim for a psychopath...
Oh, and I’m not keen on Beethoven, either...but you can’t deny he was a genius. There’s plenty of artists who create incredible work, but that doesn’t mean it appeals to each and every person !
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However psychiatrists diagnose someone with psychopathy, I'd bet you that looking at their eyes plays no part whatsoever!
Wow, how wrong you are!!
Psychiatrists and Psychologists take HUGE note of someone’s eyes — they give so much away!
I’m surprised you don’t realise that.
They check body language too, which you MUST know.
Why do you think police bring a psychiatrist in to watch someone who’s making a public appeal for someone close to them who’s gone missing? They don’t even know they’re being watched by a psychiatrist, and the psychiatrist obviously isn’t asking them questions 🙄
They’re watching their eyes, eye movements, blinking, arm/hand movements, touching their faces when they say certain things, listening to their speech, hesitations, everything
You’re so wrong.
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Average intelligence plus perceptive and well educated? So many generalisations and assumptions. Jasper Carrott was good at it;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYYo49R_ZS0
Intelligence is totally separate to education. They’re two different things.
You could have a genius living in a wooden hut in the rain forest, but if they’ve never been told the capital of France is Paris they could never work it out, could they?🙄
Obviously, if you’re highly intelligent you’ll find processing information and working out mathematic/scientific problems easier, but they’re still two different things.
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However psychiatrists diagnose someone with psychopathy, I'd bet you that looking at their eyes plays no part whatsoever!
I think it is very much a case of the whole being the sum of its parts and the eyes are in my opinion a part. Quite a few people have told me they are finding it disturbing when being treated by medical staff whose faces are covered because they are wearing masks. So I think we are subconsciousjy taking in a lot of information from expression and I think the more experienced a psychiatrist becomes the better s/he will become at being informed by reading demeanour and expression of which I think the eyes play an integral part.
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You use the word 'qualified' quite often - how do you define that? Is someone only qualified if they have a certificate or would experience count? Unless you can define that word, you can't use it as a benchmark.
Qualifying as a psychiatrist takes years.
https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/become-a-psychiatrist/choose-psychiatry/how-to-become-a-psychiatrist
How can people have experience? Without the qualifications they can't work in the field. It would be like letting unqualified people perform operations.
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You use the word 'qualified' quite often - how do you define that? Is someone only qualified if they have a certificate or would experience count? Unless you can define that word, you can't use it as a benchmark.
Demonstrating competence by way of meeting a certain criteria and obtaining a qualification.
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How do you mean “as far as you’re aware” you’re of at least average intelligence? Is that you making assumptions or have you taken an IQ test? I’ve taken one, at Mensa, when I was invited to after passing a Mensa test I saw advertised. They wrote back saying I’d scored 142 and so I went to be tested — I thought it might be fun being a Mensa member🧐
In the event, the test was strictly monitored and timed (there were about a dozen people taking it), and the examiner was somewhat intimidating which made my mind go blank. I knew I’d failed when I got to the spatial tests (my weak point) and started guessing as that darned clock ticked away. It wasn’t too bad, though, they wrote to me and said I’d scored 136 (you need 140 to pass) and said I could resit it after a year, but I never bothered...my daughter took the test too, (months after I did) and she also scored high (138), so I suspect intelligence may be inherited.
I wonder what Jeremy Bamber’s is?
I have always though him dim for a psychopath...
Oh, and I’m not keen on Beethoven, either...but you can’t deny he was a genius. There’s plenty of artists who create incredible work, but that doesn’t mean it appeals to each and every person !
I scored 149. However, this has nothing to do with knowledge which I somewhat lack and which grieves me. So never place too much importance on IQ. You could well be far more knowledgeable than I am.
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Qualifying as a psychiatrist takes years.
https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/become-a-psychiatrist/choose-psychiatry/how-to-become-a-psychiatrist
How can people have experience? Without the qualifications they can't work in the field. It would be like letting unqualified people perform operations.
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say?
We all have to start somewhere 🙄
My ex-boyfriend who was a psychiatrist at the Maudsley Hospital in London was 29 (10 years older than me) and when he first got his PhD he actually went into gynaecology & then went into psychiatry, which he preferred. He went on to become a Professor (good old Google) ....
Trudie has got a simple degree in law which I believe she took through the OU...I’m not sure what she intends to do with it being well into her late 50s...but I suppose she thinks it will impress certain people. She’s wrong. It doesn’t. Nor will it.
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I scored 149. However, this has nothing to do with knowledge which I somewhat lack and which grieves me. So never place too much importance on IQ. You could well be far more knowledgeable than I am.
You must be a Mensa member, then?
The pass rate is 140.
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Demonstrating competence by way of meeting a certain criteria and obtaining a qualification.
It depends on what qualifications you’re talking about — some are much easier than others.
If you’re talking about medicine or law you either pass or fail. But if you pass you’re then a JUNIOR and it’s then you start gaining EXPERIENCE.
With experience comes KNOWLEDGE.
Junior doctors and solicitors are actually TRAINING when they start work.
You don’t become an EXPERT by passing a degree...all a degree shows is your ability to assimilate facts.
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I scored 149. However, this has nothing to do with knowledge which I somewhat lack and which grieves me. So never place too much importance on IQ. You could well be far more knowledgeable than I am.
Out of interest, Eleanor, where did you take your Mensa test?
I took mine at a university in central London on a Saturday morning. It took about two hours, I seem to recall...
You must have been thrilled when they sent your your certificate and Mensa membership. Can we have a peep at it?😌
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It depends on what qualifications you’re talking about — some are much easier than others.
If you’re talking about medicine or law you either pass or fail. But if you pass you’re then a JUNIOR and it’s then you start gaining EXPERIENCE.
With experience comes KNOWLEDGE.
Junior doctors and solicitors are actually TRAINING when they start work.
You don’t become an EXPERT by passing a degree...all a degree shows is your ability to assimilate facts.
Most people these days need to demonstrate competence by way of passing exams and obtaining qualifications: law, medicine, electrician, plumber, food hygiene, hairdressing, car technician etc.
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Most people these days need to demonstrate competence by way of passing exams and obtaining qualifications: law, medicine, electrician, plumber, food hygiene, hairdressing, car technician etc.
I think you’ll find that’s ALWAYS been the case, Holly 😌
However, there are some trades where people don’t need to pass exams: hairdressers, plumbers, electricians etc can become an apprentice straight out of school...some hairdressers/plumbers/electricians go to college first, but many don’t. Car mechanics nearly always learn straight from school...they don’t go to college as all their work is practical.
Hairdressers don’t need any degrees at all, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have natural talent.
Plumbers and electricians will be limited to the work they do if they don’t get their City & Guilds, but many either work round that, or do them at night school while they’re working,
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It depends on what qualifications you’re talking about — some are much easier than others.
If you’re talking about medicine or law you either pass or fail. But if you pass you’re then a JUNIOR and it’s then you start gaining EXPERIENCE.
With experience comes KNOWLEDGE.
Junior doctors and solicitors are actually TRAINING when they start work.
You don’t become an EXPERT by passing a degree...all a degree shows is your ability to assimilate facts.
What a good degree course does is far more than disseminate facts. It teaches students how to conduct research to find the facts themselves and to understand and use them. Students are taught to provide bibliographies too, to demonstrate where the facts came from. I take it you don't have one as you appear have no interest in providing the sources of your 'facts'?
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Out of interest, Eleanor, where did you take your Mensa test?
I took mine at a university in central London on a Saturday morning. It took about two hours, I seem to recall...
You must have been thrilled when they sent your your certificate and Mensa membership. Can we have a peep at it?😌
I am not a member of Mensa nor want to be. I think they are a load of pretentious pratts. Which is probably the most intelligent thing I have ever said.
Besides, they wanted money that I couldn't afford to pay just to sit their Test.
I took a Peripheral Test to see if I was worth their time and my money. It was a money making exercise on their part. They must have thought that I was half daft along with my IQ.
But I had already been deemed as well above average at the age of twelve. IQ doesn't change. But neither does it help all that much when it comes to real life, apart from how to hang washing on the line to take up less space.
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I think you’ll find that’s ALWAYS been the case, Holly 😌
However, there are some trades where people don’t need to pass exams: hairdressers, plumbers, electricians etc can become an apprentice straight out of school...some hairdressers/plumbers/electricians go to college first, but many don’t. Car mechanics nearly always learn straight from school...they don’t go to college as all their work is practical.
Hairdressers don’t need any degrees at all, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have natural talent.
Plumbers and electricians will be limited to the work they do if they don’t get their City & Guilds, but many either work round that, or do them at night school while they’re working,
It hasn't always been the case.
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You must be a Mensa member, then?
The pass rate is 140.
You don’t automatically become a member of Mensa. It is an organisation you pay to belong to once you have the required IQ. There are various psychological tests and each one scores differently. My daughter scored 136 in the test she took at University and submitted it to Mensa. They then invited her to join. The yearly membership is not cheap and all it does is provide a newsletter from time to time and let’s you know what events are in your local area. There was no one near where my daughter lived and she thought it was a waste of money so didn’t renew her membership after the first year.
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Maybe we need a 'Wandering Off-Topic' thread like the one on the MM board?
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I am not a member of Mensa nor want to be. I think they are a load of pretentious pratts. Which is probably the most intelligent thing I have ever said.
Besides, they wanted money that I couldn't afford to pay just to sit their Test.
I took a Peripheral Test to see if I was worth their time and my money. It was a money making exercise on their part. They must have thought that I was half daft along with my IQ.
But I had already been deemed as well above average at the age of twelve. IQ doesn't change. But neither does it help all that much when it comes to real life, apart from how to hang washing on the line to take up less space.
People used to think that IQ tests measured intelligence, hence the 11 plus exam. They didn't/don't.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iq-scores-not-accurate-marker-of-intelligence-study-shows/
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People used to think that IQ tests measured intelligence, hence the 11 plus exam. They didn't/don't.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iq-scores-not-accurate-marker-of-intelligence-study-shows/
I think it's generally accepted that IQ tests aren't the best way to test intelligence.
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People used to think that IQ tests measured intelligence, hence the 11 plus exam. They didn't/don't.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iq-scores-not-accurate-marker-of-intelligence-study-shows/
I think that this is partially incorrect. IQ Tests do measure intelligence. It's the lack of Knowledge that counts. And knowledge has to be learned. Woe betide you if you never got the chance.
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Maybe we need a 'Wandering Off-Topic' thread like the one on the MM board?
This is all to do with brain power, albeit a trifle obscure.
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Maybe we need a 'Wandering Off-Topic' thread like the one on the MM board?
You could ask John to create one and move any off-topic posts from here?
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This is all to do with brain power, albeit a trifle obscure.
I'm not sure I ever wandered in that direction but assumed it was a thread to discuss anything and everthing off thread topic?
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In my opinion intelligent people will acknowledge that unqualified people can't diagnose a mental illness. All they can do is offer an opinion. Unqualified opinions only convince those who agree with them.
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You could ask John to create one and move any off-topic posts from here?
Done
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In my opinion intelligent people will acknowledge that unqualified people can't diagnose a mental illness. All they can do is offer an opinion. Unqualified opinions only convince those who agree with them.
Or personality disorders.
But sometimes you get cases where experts disagree.
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I think there are many forms of intelligence along the lines of Howard Gardener's theory.
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And there's emotional intelligence too which is surely just as important as intellect if you want to succeed in anything?
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Bagsy I'm first 8(*(
I think there are many forms of intelligence along the lines of Howard Gardener's theory.
I've always been interested in and good at formal learning and have the qualifications to prove it. My husband had no interest in school, but he was extremely intelligent in my opinion.
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11464.msg590082#msg590082
Yes it is important.
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Done
Thank You.
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I've always been interested in and good at formal learning and have the qualifications to prove it. My husband had no interest in school, but he was extremely intelligent in my opinion.
But it comes down to attitude, interest and motivation too.
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I've always been interested in and good at formal learning and have the qualifications to prove it. My husband had no interest in school, but he was extremely intelligent in my opinion.
I wouldn't mind betting you don't read much fiction?
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When will I be able to get my eyelashes and eyebrows tinted?
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But it comes down to attitude, interest and motivation too.
My (unqualified) opinion is that I had the need to prove my worth, whilst my husband was confident of his.
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Gosh, what a stoic effort. That must have taken a minute or ten, separating the rubbish from the other rubbish.
No, No, it's okay. I like the rubbish. I wouldn't be here otherwise.
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My (unqualified) opinion is that I had the need to prove my worth, whilst my husband was confident of his.
Yes that's what I thought ie the need to prove your worth was the motivating factor?
Do you read fiction?
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Gosh, what a stoic effort. That must have taken a minute or ten, separating the rubbish from the other rubbish.
No, No, it's okay. I like the rubbish. I wouldn't be here otherwise.
But is it rubbish? When you think how we've evolved from a swampy marsh isn't it remarkable we can sit 000's of miles apart tapping on an electronic device to communicate albeit rubbish!?
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My (unqualified) opinion is that I had the need to prove my worth, whilst my husband was confident of his.
That might have been a result of Her Majesty. Love her to bits, by the way. But they are all taught how very special they are.
I was a Wren Air Mechanic which briefly fulfilled my dreams of equality. And then I married a Sailor. It was all down hill after that.
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Footballers were once considered stupid by many. It now turns out they're highly intelligent.
Some of the founders of tech giants eg Steve Jobs and Bill Gates didn't complete their college courses.
Richard Branson is dyslexic.
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Yes that's what I thought ie the need to prove your worth was the motivating factor?
Do you read fiction?
I only ever read Fiction. The rest is only the opinion od someone else.
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But is it rubbish? When you think how we've evolved from a swampy marsh isn't it remarkable we can sit 000's of miles apart tapping on an electronic device to communicate albeit rubbish!?
No, I think it's great. I just wish that people would be a little more kind. There but for the grace of God.
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I wouldn't mind betting you don't read much fiction?
I have always read fiction voraciously. It's my pleasure, my hobby and my comfort. I love Shakespeare, the Brontes, Thomas Hardy and William Golding and dislike Jane Austen and Tolkein.
The only academic writer who thoroughly impressed me was Karl Marx. His economic predictions were correct. In the 1850's he predicted that China would be forced to adopt the capitalist methods of production, for example. They certainly have!
I admire scientific writers, but find them difficult to understand. I once nearly grasped the theory of relativity, but not quite...
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I have always read fiction voraciously. It's my pleasure, my hobby and my comfort. I love Shakespeare, the Brontes, Thomas Hardy and William Golding and dislike Jane Austen and Tolkein.
The only academic writer who thoroughly impressed me was Karl Marx. His economic predictions were correct. In the 1850's he predicted that China would be forced to adopt the capitalist methods of production, for example. They certainly have!
I admire scientific writers, but find them difficult to understand. I once nearly grasped the theory of relativity, but not quite...
Well it just shows then you can't judge a book by its cover!
I rarely read books just newspapers and magazines like the National Geographic, Economist and New Scientist.
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I have always read fiction voraciously. It's my pleasure, my hobby and my comfort. I love Shakespeare, the Brontes, Thomas Hardy and William Golding and dislike Jane Austen and Tolkein.
The only academic writer who thoroughly impressed me was Karl Marx. His economic predictions were correct. In the 1850's he predicted that China would be forced to adopt the capitalist methods of production, for example. They certainly have!
I admire scientific writers, but find them difficult to understand. I once nearly grasped the theory of relativity, but not quite...
Have you read any of the science books by Brian Cox?
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But is it rubbish? When you think how we've evolved from a swampy marsh isn't it remarkable we can sit 000's of miles apart tapping on an electronic device to communicate albeit rubbish!?
I think our communcation options are amazing and have hope that it will change the world as people realise how alike they are even though they live in different countries with different regimes, customs and religions. If that wasn't a possibility repressive regimes wouldn't stop their citizens from taking part.
Unfortunately our 'advances' have endangered our planet imo so our future isn't guaranteed anyway.
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I have always read fiction voraciously. It's my pleasure, my hobby and my comfort. I love Shakespeare, the Brontes, Thomas Hardy and William Golding and dislike Jane Austen and Tolkein.
The only academic writer who thoroughly impressed me was Karl Marx. His economic predictions were correct. In the 1850's he predicted that China would be forced to adopt the capitalist methods of production, for example. They certainly have!
I admire scientific writers, but find them difficult to understand. I once nearly grasped the theory of relativity, but not quite...
My comfort is nature and beer 8((()*/
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Well it just shows then you can't judge a book by its cover!
I rarely read books just newspapers and magazines like the National Geographic, Economist and New Scientist.
Perhaps it's because you can't look into my eyes. 8(>((
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I have always read fiction voraciously. It's my pleasure, my hobby and my comfort. I love Shakespeare, the Brontes, Thomas Hardy and William Golding and dislike Jane Austen and Tolkein.
The only academic writer who thoroughly impressed me was Karl Marx. His economic predictions were correct. In the 1850's he predicted that China would be forced to adopt the capitalist methods of production, for example. They certainly have!
I admire scientific writers, but find them difficult to understand. I once nearly grasped the theory of relativity, but not quite...
Even they are working on Opinions, so don't be fooled.
The Theory of Relativity is only to do with how it relates to anything else, if in fact it does. It depends on what it is being related to. If it is to do with some other Planet or some other Sense then it is seriously relative. Or actually not that important. Prove it to me.
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My comfort is nature and beer 8((()*/
My husband was interested in nature. We watched David Attenborough since the 1960's. I developed an interest in British wildlife when I realised how much I didn't notice. We had a narrowboat and my husband would see foxes, rabbits and birds but even when he told me I couldn't always see them. He taught me how to look. He had learned from his Dad and his uncles. Like many miners they liked to be out in nature when not working.
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I think our communcation options are amazing and have hope that it will change the world as people realise how alike they are even though they live in different countries with different regimes, customs and religions. If that wasn't a possibility repressive regimes wouldn't stop their citizens from taking part.
Unfortunately our 'advances' have endangered our planet imo so our future isn't guaranteed anyway.
Yes in the UK we have the Institute for Strategic Dialogue which has been involved in attempting to control disinformation online about Covid but still needs to be mindful of freedom of expression:
https://www.isdglobal.org/isdapproach/
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Even they are working on Opinions, so don't be fooled.
The Theory of Relativity is only to do with how it relates to anything else, if in fact it does. It depends on what it is being related to. If it is to do with some other Planet or some other Sense then it is seriously relative. Or actually not that important. Prove it to me.
Don't ask me, I don't understand it either. I know it's E = MC2, or energy is equal to matter multiplied by the speed of light squared.
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Don't ask me, I don't understand it either. I know it's E = MC2, or energy is equal to matter multiplied by the speed of light squared.
Have you read the popular science books Hawkins and Cox?
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Don't ask me, I don't understand it either. I know it's E = MC2, or energy is equal to matter multiplied by the speed of light squared.
Really? Gosh. You mean that we are all somewhere else? Now that might be relative to where we are and where we aren't but I can't get off on this. I am here.
Is this to do with Time Travel? If so, call me later. It isn't logical.
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Have you read the popular science books Hawkins and Cox?
I'm afraid not. Science makes my brain hurt, although Cox fascinates me on TV.
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Really? Gosh. You mean that we are all somewhere else? Now that might be relative to where we are and where we aren't but I can't get off on this. I am here.
Is this to do with Time Travel? If so, call me later. It isn't logical.
We are moving through space all of the time so 'here' is never the same place. *%87
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We are moving through space all of the time so 'here' is never the same place. *%87
The stars we can see in the sky now no longer exist either because of the time it takes for their light to reach us, is that right?
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The stars we can see in the sky now no longer exist either because of the time it takes for their light to reach us, is that right?
Some of them - I don't pretend to be an expert on this but I believe the fact that we are moving through space would make time travel impossible because we would have to travel back to the same space in time in order to do so. It's kind of brain frying stuff *%87
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Some of them - I don't pretend to be an expert on this but I believe the fact that we are moving through space would make time travel impossible because we would have to travel back to the same space in time in order to do so. It's kind of brain frying stuff *%87
It certainly fries mine.
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We are moving through space all of the time so 'here' is never the same place. *%87
Well now, I am till here. Or is this only relative to where I was half a second ago. Ad Infinitum.
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Some of them - I don't pretend to be an expert on this but I believe the fact that we are moving through space would make time travel impossible because we would have to travel back to the same space in time in order to do so. It's kind of brain frying stuff *%87
You don't want to go there. Trust me.
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Some of them - I don't pretend to be an expert on this but I believe the fact that we are moving through space would make time travel impossible because we would have to travel back to the same space in time in order to do so. It's kind of brain frying stuff *%87
What do you mean by 'we'?
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My husband was interested in nature. We watched David Attenborough since the 1960's. I developed an interest in British wildlife when I realised how much I didn't notice. We had a narrowboat and my husband would see foxes, rabbits and birds but even when he told me I couldn't always see them. He taught me how to look. He had learned from his Dad and his uncles. Like many miners they liked to be out in nature when not working.
I thought your husband was an army man?
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I thought your husband was an army man?
He was. He went out with his Dad and his uncles as a boy. His Dad was a dedicated fisherman. He often took my husband with him. His uncle took him rabbiting with his ferrets.
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He was. He went out with his Dad and his uncles as a boy. His Dad was a dedicated fisherman. He often took my husband with him. His uncle took him rabbiting with his ferrets.
So who was the miner?
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So who was the miner?
His father and his uncle. My father-in-law was in the pit all his working life apart from a spell in the Army in WW2, although he didn't need to go.
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I think it is very much a case of the whole being the sum of its parts and the eyes are in my opinion a part. Quite a few people have told me they are finding it disturbing when being treated by medical staff whose faces are covered because they are wearing masks. So I think we are subconsciousjy taking in a lot of information from expression and I think the more experienced a psychiatrist becomes the better s/he will become at being informed by reading demeanour and expression of which I think the eyes play an integral part.
Absolutely true.
We read people far more than we realise. And eyes are DEFINITELY the biggest give-away if all. Eyes express emotions ,everyone is aware of that.
And as you say, the whole package — their demeanour, body movements, expressions, sudden subtle jerks of the the foot when they’re lying, glancing away, or staring intently, rubbing their nose or wiping their hands by their mouth when they’re lying, rapid blinking, stance, distance, altered tone in speech...even down to how they present themselves, speak, manners...and smell too. We all have our own individual scent which can attract or repel. Some mental disorders can cause strange body odours, and some people claim people with a PD omits a certain odour..
I definitely believe the Internet has helped evil people scam, fool and con. Women can’t gauge men online or just by letters and an occasional phone call. That’s why Jeremy Bamber finds it so easy to bamboozle certain women (and men): they don’t know him. He’s just text on a screen; words in letter; and the occasional rushed call where you don’t have time to talk at length .
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What a good degree course does is far more than disseminate facts. It teaches students how to conduct research to find the facts themselves and to understand and use them. Students are taught to provide bibliographies too, to demonstrate where the facts came from. I take it you don't have one as you appear have no interest in providing the sources of your 'facts'?
You’re making assumptions again, Gunit
What makes you ASSUME I don’t have a degree or even a PhD because I can’t be bothered to hunt out sources for you? Do you think your opinion of me is that important to me that I’ll run off and find a source to try and impress you? You over-estimate yourself, Gunit. You don’t impress me at all, and I certainly am not interested in impressing you.
You don’t need to tell me about degrees...I think almost everyone has them, especially these days. A degree simply shows you’re capable of studying and processing information, but if you take a degree in, say, social sciences, that almost proves you’re NOT academic as almost no-one can fail them.
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His father and his uncle. My father-in-law was in the pit all his working life apart from a spell in the Army in WW2, although he didn't need to go.
I come from a mining area (Easington) - once great communities. Pretty crapola now - even the Billy Elliot locations have mostly disappeared. %56&
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You’re making assumptions again, Gunit
What makes you ASSUME I don’t have a degree or even a PhD because I can’t be bothered to hunt out sources for you? Do you think your opinion of me is that important to me that I’ll run off and find a source to try and impress you? You over-estimate yourself, Gunit. You don’t impress me at all, and I certainly am not interested in impressing you.
You don’t need to tell me about degrees...I think almost everyone has them, especially these days. A degree simply shows you’re capable of studying and processing information, but if you take a degree in, say, social sciences, that almost proves you’re NOT academic as almost no-one can fail them.
So those with degrees in Anthropology, Archaeology, Economics, Geography, Politics, History, Law, Linguistics, Politics, Psychology and Sociology aren't academic?
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I come from a mining area (Easington) - once great communities. Pretty crapola now - even the Billy Elliot locations have mostly disappeared. %56&
Great communities, but a terrible job. My husband had two choices; the pit or the cotton mill. On his Dad's advice he took the mill.
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I am not a member of Mensa nor want to be. I think they are a load of pretentious pratts. Which is probably the most intelligent thing I have ever said.
Besides, they wanted money that I couldn't afford to pay just to sit their Test.
I took a Peripheral Test to see if I was worth their time and my money. It was a money making exercise on their part. They must have thought that I was half daft along with my IQ.
But I had already been deemed as well above average at the age of twelve. IQ doesn't change. But neither does it help all that much when it comes to real life, apart from how to hang washing on the line to take up less space.
But you must have had some kind of desire to join by using your precious time to see if Mensa were worthy of your genius? And you call THEM pretentious...😤
Where did you take the “peripheral test”? And what do you mean by it was Peripheral?
I’m sure you didn’t take it on one of those Facebook tests that pop up and tell you you’re a genius by ticking the correct answer to “What is 2 x 2?”
Mensa isn’t a money making organisation; it’s a networking group where you meet equally bright people with varied interests, and can gain access to certain research centres and events not usually accessible to the public. So if you’re inquisitive like I am, you can gain information that may not just be of interest to you, but can also be incredibly helpful depending on what your reasons for discovering it are. Yes, there’s bound to be boring nerds there, but being savvy you’d know how to avoid them...😌
And I’m sure you’d be of immense help by telling other members how to hang their washing on the line — invaluable! But I suspect most people who are exceptionally bright have used their intelligence to their advantage so they don’t need to peg out their own washing...chores can be awfully boring ^*&&
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It hasn't always been the case.
It most certainly has.
Have you not heard of a plumber’s mate?
Or a Saturday girl in a hairdressers who starts off washing customers hair and then progresses to becoming an experienced stylist/colourist?
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You don’t automatically become a member of Mensa. It is an organisation you pay to belong to once you have the required IQ. There are various psychological tests and each one scores differently. My daughter scored 136 in the test she took at University and submitted it to Mensa. They then invited her to join. The yearly membership is not cheap and all it does is provide a newsletter from time to time and let’s you know what events are in your local area. There was no one near where my daughter lived and she thought it was a waste of money so didn’t renew her membership after the first year.
Daisy, the pass rate is 140, or may even be higher (148, possibly?)
You cannot become a member with an IQ of 136: I know that for a fact.
Nor can you take a test and send it off to Mensa — you have to be tested by Mensa themselves under strict controlled conditions.
Maybe you’ve forgotten your daughter’s IQ and the fact she must have been tested by Mensa?
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I think it's generally accepted that IQ tests aren't the best way to test intelligence.
Possibly not.
Not forgetting there’s various types of intelligence...
But IQ tests, which are used in psychiatry, are certainly a good indicator of how fast a person’s reasoning works.
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I think that this is partially incorrect. IQ Tests do measure intelligence. It's the lack of Knowledge that counts. And knowledge has to be learned. Woe betide you if you never got the chance.
That’s true.
Knowledge and intelligence are two separate things.
However, some people are less capable of assimilating knowledge and understanding it...
You only have to look at some of the people on the Internet who can’t see the blatantly obvious: such as the obvious fact Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath and only he could have murdered his family.
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In my opinion intelligent people will acknowledge that unqualified people can't diagnose a mental illness. All they can do is offer an opinion. Unqualified opinions only convince those who agree with them.
How sage, Gunit
“Unqualified opinions only convince those who agree with them”
8@??)( 8**8:/:
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Or personality disorders.
But sometimes you get cases where experts disagree.
In my unqualified opinion, I’d say there’s far more people with personality disorders than there are those who’ve been diagnosed.
I also believe, in my unqualified opinion, that there’s scores of naive gullible people who don’t realise they’ve been hoodwinked....😌
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I've always been interested in and good at formal learning and have the qualifications to prove it. My husband had no interest in school, but he was extremely intelligent in my opinion.
What convinces you that your husband is intelligent despite him having no interest in school and learning?
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Daisy, the pass rate is 140, or may even be higher (148, possibly?)
You cannot become a member with an IQ of 136: I know that for a fact.
Nor can you take a test and send it off to Mensa — you have to be tested by Mensa themselves under strict controlled conditions.
Maybe you’ve forgotten your daughter’s IQ and the fact she must have been tested by Mensa?
You are wrong.
https://www.mensa.org.uk/prior-evidence-application
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So those with degrees in Anthropology, Archaeology, Economics, Geography, Politics, History, Law, Linguistics, Politics, Psychology and Sociology aren't academic?
I never said all subjects aren’t academic: I said Social Sciences isn’t. Everyone knows that.
Subjects such as Physics, Maths, Chemistry, Biology etc are what I call academic in as much as it takes “reasoning” to both understand and work out solutions. So whilst subjects such as Anthropology, Politics, History etc are academic, they’re not the sciences. Studying History, for example, requires just memory...it doesn’t require the ability needed by certain scientists who have to find solutions to incredibly complex tasks.
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You are wrong.
https://www.mensa.org.uk/prior-evidence-application
No, I’m not.
Mensa says:
“Acceptable evidence includes a full educational psychologist's report, documentary evidence of previous IQ testing, or by sitting an approved supervised IQ test, offered by various organisations. Applicants are asked to submit a copy of their evidence along with a small ratification fee. Once eligibility of the evidence has been confirmed, Mensa will be able to issue an invitation to join.”
So whilst I wasn’t totally correct in that one has to take the test at a Mensa run room at a university in view of the examiner, and in which each part is timed to the second — what Mensa are saying is those exact same conditions apply if you can’t take the test at a centre. They say they will accept tests providing they’re carried out in exactly the same supervised way by an approved examiner, or a full educational psychologists report.
So I’m not wrong, per se. But you are, Daisy. The IQ pass rate is 148 — I thought it was 140 — so wherever your daughter took hers she wouldn’t have been invited to join as her IQ was 138, which simply isn’t high enough to gain entry.
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I never said all subjects aren’t academic: I said Social Sciences isn’t. Everyone knows that.
Subjects such as Physics, Maths, Chemistry, Biology etc are what I call academic in as much as it takes “reasoning” to both understand and work out solutions. So whilst subjects such as Anthropology, Politics, History etc are academic, they’re not the sciences. Studying History, for example, requires just memory...it doesn’t require the ability needed by certain scientists who have to find solutions to incredibly complex tasks.
You said;
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"A degree simply shows you’re capable of studying and processing information, but if you take a degree in, say, social sciences, that almost proves you’re NOT academic as almost no-one can fail them."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11479.msg590297#msg590297
You seem to have strange ideas of what's involved in studying at degree level, and the usefulness of degrees in Social Science subjects. When it comes to employment those with Social Science degrees do better, it seems.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24707507
The subjects I listed are all classed as Social Sciences.
https://www.postgrad.com/subjects/social_sciences/overview/
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No, I’m not.
Mensa says:
“Acceptable evidence includes a full educational psychologist's report, documentary evidence of previous IQ testing, or by sitting an approved supervised IQ test, offered by various organisations. Applicants are asked to submit a copy of their evidence along with a small ratification fee. Once eligibility of the evidence has been confirmed, Mensa will be able to issue an invitation to join.”
So whilst I wasn’t totally correct in that one has to take the test at a Mensa run room at a university in view of the examiner, and in which each part is timed to the second — what Mensa are saying is those exact same conditions apply if you can’t take the test at a centre. They say they will accept tests providing they’re carried out in exactly the same supervised way by an approved examiner, or a full educational psychologists report.
So I’m not wrong, per se. But you are, Daisy. The IQ pass rate is 148 — I thought it was 140 — so wherever your daughter took hers she wouldn’t have been invited to join as her IQ was 138, which simply isn’t high enough to gain entry.
You obviously haven’t looked into this properly. The minimum score for entry into Mensa is different for various ways of testing. The minimum score on the Stanford-Binet is 132. My daughter’s test was carried out under the required controlled conditions by an educational psychologist. I am not sure which test she took but she was invited to join Mensa and was a member for a while but as there was nothing going on in her area she had no one to link up with.
On another note some valued members have left this forum because of your arrogance. Such a shame that you being relatively new here have upset some really lovely people. I am not arguing with you any longer as you are just not worth it.
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What use of a high iq if you don't have the ei to go with it?
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What use of a high iq if you don't have the ei to go with it?
Without question.
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You said;
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"A degree simply shows you’re capable of studying and processing information, but if you take a degree in, say, social sciences, that almost proves you’re NOT academic as almost no-one can fail them."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11479.msg590297#msg590297
You seem to have strange ideas of what's involved in studying at degree level, and the usefulness of degrees in Social Science subjects. When it comes to employment those with Social Science degrees do better, it seems.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24707507
The subjects I listed are all classed as Social Sciences.
https://www.postgrad.com/subjects/social_sciences/overview/
They may find it easer to find a job, but they won’t earn as much as their peers who trained for more skilful degrees. Social sciences don’t even have a distinctive skill; it’s an easy, non-rigorous way to get a degree; they don’t need to go through as many classes and it’s an easy route for students who are viewed as underachievers. That may be unfair, but it’s how it is.
A big part of getting a degree to improve your career prospects is to show how dedicated you are to working hard at a subject that requires skill and intelligence: almost anyone can get a degree in social sciences — because it’s easy. Simple as that.
The world is becoming more technical by the minute, and we have an exponentially growing population who require complex solutions which only skilled technically qualified people can provide: you can’t compare an engineer, scientist, computer engineer or a mathematician with someone who’s studied humanities, anthropology or history. What could an anthropologist, historian or social worker advise on technicalities of computer systems; world pollution; climate control; the impact of global warming; research of viruses; developing treatments/cures for cancer or other life-threatening diseases?
Incidentally, academics never achieve the high salaries that most other professions do, and whilst money isn’t the only reason why one chooses a career, it’s certainly a motivating factor in working hard in your field. Tell me one person who doesn’t enjoy what money brings?
We’ll forget Jeremy Bamber in this, despite him musing to the police officer while his family lay dead inside the house, and saying to the officer when he mentioned the subject “money” that he wasn’t interested in money at all. He said: “Just a nice little two-bed house with a small runaround car and enough money in my pocket for a few beers at the weekends is all I need and desire”
I s’pose you believe that, too 🤣
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I never said all subjects aren’t academic: I said Social Sciences isn’t. Everyone knows that.
Subjects such as Physics, Maths, Chemistry, Biology etc are what I call academic in as much as it takes “reasoning” to both understand and work out solutions. So whilst subjects such as Anthropology, Politics, History etc are academic, they’re not the sciences. Studying History, for example, requires just memory...it doesn’t require the ability needed by certain scientists who have to find solutions to incredibly complex tasks.
Social sciences are not academic?? What are they then, and what do you understand by "social science"?
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Social sciences are not academic?? What are they then, and what do you understand by "social science"?
Studying history requires far more than just memory !
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I never said all subjects aren’t academic: I said Social Sciences isn’t. Everyone knows that.
Subjects such as Physics, Maths, Chemistry, Biology etc are what I call academic in as much as it takes “reasoning” to both understand and work out solutions. So whilst subjects such as Anthropology, Politics, History etc are academic, they’re not the sciences. Studying History, for example, requires just memory...it doesn’t require the ability needed by certain scientists who have to find solutions to incredibly complex tasks.
Sorry Spy, I can't agree with this. I did a BA in psychology and to pass, not only do you have to understand complicated and abstract concepts, you need a good sound knowledge of how statistic work and how to apply various different statistical criteria to validate studies. The social sciences are used to find reasons why certain things happen at a given time and be able to validate their findings.
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Anthropology is important in today's world too. It was probably partly the reason Nick Clegg was recruited for a senior role at Facebook.
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Anthropology is important in today's world too. It was probably partly the reason Nick Clegg was recruited for a senior role at Facebook.
Nick Clegg has a degree in Anthropology:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45913587
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On another note some valued members have left this forum because of your arrogance. Such a shame that you being relatively new here have upset some really lovely people.
Who’s told you they’ve left the forum upset Daisy?
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Sorry Spy, I can't agree with this. I did a BA in psychology and to pass, not only do you have to understand complicated and abstract concepts, you need a good sound knowledge of how statistic work and how to apply various different statistical criteria to validate studies. The social sciences are used to find reasons why certain things happen at a given time and be able to validate their findings.
BS's in psychology rely heavily on biology, chemistry and maths too.
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You obviously haven’t looked into this properly. The minimum score for entry into Mensa is different for various ways of testing. The minimum score on the Stanford-Binet is 132. My daughter’s test was carried out under the required controlled conditions by an educational psychologist. I am not sure which test she took but she was invited to join Mensa and was a member for a while but as there was nothing going on in her area she had no one to link up with.
On another note some valued members have left this forum because of your arrogance. Such a shame that you being relatively new here have upset some really lovely people. I am not arguing with you any longer as you are just not worth it.
I was actually tested by Mensa.
This here is from Mensa itself:
“On the Culture Fair test used by British Mensa, a score of 132 places a candidate in the top two per cent of the population (the average IQ is taken as 100). On the Cattell B III, also commonly used by Mensa, a score of 148 or above would be required. All Mensans are in the top two per cent by IQ whichever scale their intelligence was measured by.”
As I said previously, the minimum score for entry to Mensa is 148, which is the test I took as I scored just 136.
I was unaware they did a Culture Fair test where the required minimum figure was 132; but having quickly scanned it I see they’re the same tests, with same result requirements, but one is measured, if you like, in Imperial, whilst the other is in metric — if that makes sense.
Regardless, well done to your daughter, you must be proud.
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Holly Bamber isn’t clueless about his case as you’ve claimed
It was at this point I realised JB was absolutely clueless about his case.
“Mr Bamber has unrivalled knowledge of the case."
https://www.halsteadgazette.co.uk/news/north_essex_news/18421158.jeremy-bamber-hearing-delayed/
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They may find it easer to find a job, but they won’t earn as much as their peers who trained for more skilful degrees. Social sciences don’t even have a distinctive skill; it’s an easy, non-rigorous way to get a degree; they don’t need to go through as many classes and it’s an easy route for students who are viewed as underachievers. That may be unfair, but it’s how it is.
Please try to provide some evidence to support your claims. In particular your claim that underachievers take Social Science degrees. I'm not interested in your (imo) rather strange opinions.
Birmingham University offers one of the best Psychology degrees out there (Bsc). The 'underachievers' will need 3 A's in their A Levels to get in, and not in mickey mouse subjects either;
Number of A levels required:
3
Typical offer:
AAA
Specified subjects excluded for entry: We do not accept General Studies, Critical Studies, Critical Thinking, Science in Society, World Development, Communication and Culture, Citizenship Studies and Use of Maths.
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/undergraduate/courses/psychology/psychology.aspx#EntryRequirementsTab
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Who’s told you they’ve left the forum upset Daisy?
No one needs to leave the forum upset. If anyone experiences problems with any aspect of the forum there are enough moderators who they can talk to in confidence.
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BS's in psychology rely heavily on biology, chemistry and maths too.
There is some biology/chemistry from brain study and I mentioned the maths aspect which is mainly stats. It is in no way an easy option fort a degree and if anyone goes into it expecting that, they will most likely fail.
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I’m sorry to hear some “really lovely people” have left this forum because of me. I suspect they’ve mistaken my honest views on the convicted murderer, Jeremy Bamber as arrogance...typical 🙄
Appears to me Daisy might have made this up ? *&^^&
On another note some valued members have left this forum because of your arrogance. Such a shame that you being relatively new here have upset some really lovely people. I am not arguing with you any longer as you are just not worth it.
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Sorry Spy, I can't agree with this. I did a BA in psychology and to pass, not only do you have to understand complicated and abstract concepts, you need a good sound knowledge of how statistic work and how to apply various different statistical criteria to validate studies. The social sciences are used to find reasons why certain things happen at a given time and be able to validate their findings.
A BSc surely?
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A BSc surely?
Not all psych degrees are the same. I had to do a BSc -I'd have preferred a BA- because that's what was on offer..
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A BSc surely?
It can be either http://www.open.ac.uk/courses/psychology/degrees
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It can be either http://www.open.ac.uk/courses/psychology/degrees
I did mine with the OU too. BSc.
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I did mine with the OU too. BSc.
Did mine at Sunderland Mrs W - just used the OU as an example.
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What use of a high iq if you don't have the ei to go with it?
Gosh, besides Jeremy Bamber seeming to have a relatively low/average IQ, he’s got a double whammy with total lack of emotional intelligence too!
That must account for why he blew his top when Daisy refused to cough up thousands of pounds...and then shouted to her face “I never liked you anyway!!”
He’s well and truly stuffed, isn’t he?!
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Sorry Spy, I can't agree with this. I did a BA in psychology and to pass, not only do you have to understand complicated and abstract concepts, you need a good sound knowledge of how statistic work and how to apply various different statistical criteria to validate studies. The social sciences are used to find reasons why certain things happen at a given time and be able to validate their findings.
Actually, Caroline, I didn’t mention psychology — psychology is more of a science than it is SS.
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Nick Clegg has a degree in Anthropology:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45913587
So?
My best friend’s father does too, and he also lectures.
I find anthropology extremely interesting, but it isn’t a science.
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Anthropology is important in today's world too. It was probably partly the reason Nick Clegg was recruited for a senior role at Facebook.
Are you being serious?!
Everyone knows that a degree proves you’ve the ability to dedicate yourself to working hard, doing research, and assimilating knowledge.
Huge global companies take people on who have degrees that have no bearing whatsoever on the field they’re starting in😳
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BS's in psychology rely heavily on biology, chemistry and maths too.
Chemistry?
Really?
And where does maths come in?
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There is some biology/chemistry from brain study and I mentioned the maths aspect which is mainly stats. It is in no way an easy option fort a degree and if anyone goes into it expecting that, they will most likely fail.
I know Psychology is more of a science, and I did say that, Caroline
I took up psychology myself many years ago, but dropped out despite enjoying it immensely, as I simply didn’t have the time to attend college and should never have started, on reflection...I took far too much on as I was so busy at that time. So I’m well aware it’s a highly skilled degree to take on.
I never meant Psychology when I spoke of Social Sciences... I don’t see it as part of a Social Science, whatever umbrella it comes under. But there are several SS degrees that are easy and simple...
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It has been brought to my attention that some posters are still using inappropriate comments and remarks towards other members on the boards. Forum rules dictate that all responses should be amicable and constructive, there is no need to express any opinion or respond to any question aggressively.
Please keep this in mind guys when posting. TY
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Are you being serious?!
Everyone knows that a degree simply proves you’ve the ability to dedicate yourself to working hard, doing research, and assimilating knowledge.
Huge global companies take people on who have degrees that have no bearing whatsoever on the field they’re starting in😳
Anthropology is important in today's world of social media and will become even more important with covid and everyone expected to change/modify their behaviour.
https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listing/qualitative-ux-researcher-growth-facebook-JV_IC1147371_KO0,32_KE33,41.htm?jl=3422696327
See the min qualifications.
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Chemistry?
Really?
And where does maths come in?
Yes. Maths for research and stats. Chemistry in terms of the brain, hormones, nervous system.
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Yes. Maths for research and stats. Chemistry in terms of the brain, hormones, nervous system.
What did you you make of Judge Knowles comment regarding Bamber Holly?
“Mr Bamber has unrivalled knowledge of the case."
https://www.halsteadgazette.co.uk/news/north_essex_news/18421158.jeremy-bamber-hearing-delayed/
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What did you you make of Judge Knowles comment regarding Bamber Holly?
Based on my correspondence with him I beg to differ.
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Are you being serious?!
Everyone knows that a degree simply proves you’ve the ability to dedicate yourself to working hard, doing research, and assimilating knowledge.
Huge global companies take people on who have degrees that have no bearing whatsoever on the field they’re starting in😳
I agree with your last point Spy, after my degree, I had a career in IT, not psychology. However, I think you should remove the word 'simply' from your comment on degree's. There is nothing 'simple' about it.
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Based on my correspondence with him I beg to differ.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9176.msg590286#msg590286
Wow, how he MANIPULATED you, Holly!
Can’t you SEE what he was doing? He was deliberately making out he believed Nevill wasn’t shot upstairs to try and make himself look unknowing! Quite a different ACT with the police, wasn’t it? All arrogant and cocky...
Besides being TOLD Nevill was shot on the landing by police and ballistics, and the court, he knew anyway — he shot them! And why would he disbelieve them if he hadn’t shot them?
Oh, c’mon, Holly....read your post back and see how he’s manipulated you — and so easily too 🤯
So basically, Jeremy is saying he was at the soc — and we all know he didn’t go into the house until AFTER the police cleared EVERYTHING. So how can he be so sure the police were lying about who was shot where and how many times? The only way to know that is if he was there when he shot them all! *%87
PS: Sorry about your moths. I hope they didn’t get to feast on your cashmere 😭
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I agree with your last point Spy, after my degree, I had a career in IT, not psychology. However, I think you should remove the word 'simply' from your comment on degree's. There is nothing 'simple' about it.
There's nothing simple about A levels either and to get into Russell Group unis today you need the A levels for most courses.
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Anthropology is important in today's world of social media and will become even more important with covid and everyone expected to change/modify their behaviour.
https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listing/qualitative-ux-researcher-growth-facebook-JV_IC1147371_KO0,32_KE33,41.htm?jl=3422696327
See the min qualifications.
How can you compare Neanderthal times with the 21st century?
It’s two entirely different worlds.
Are you suggesting we should revert back to living like they did in the Stone ages?
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How can you compare Neanderthal times with the 21st century?
It’s two entirely different worlds.
Are you suggesting we should revert back to living like they did in the Stone ages?
Are you suggesting some today don't live like Neanderthals?
Anthropology isn't just about how humans lived years ago.
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So?
My best friend’s father dies too, and he also lectures.
I find anthropology extremely interesting, but it isn’t a science.
So?
Society requires a broad range of skills and knowledge to function.
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Are you suggesting some today don't live like Neanderthals?
Some people might describe Bamber’s behaviour as ‘Neanderthal’
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So?
Society requires a broad range of skills and knowledge to function.
Does society require ‘Neanderthals’ like Bamber?
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Yes. Maths for research and stats. Chemistry in terms of the brain, hormones, nervous system.
There’s a huge difference between researching statistics for psychology to being an Applied Mathematician who uses
techniques, such as mathematical modelling and computational methods to formulate and solve practical problems in business, government, engineering, and the physical life. They have to analyse the most efficient way to schedule airline routes, the aerodynamic characteristics of an experimental automobile, the cost-effectiveness of alternative manufacturing processes...the effects and safety of new drugs..
They also work in industrial research and development where they develop mathematical methods when solving a difficult problem. Some mathematicians — called cryptanalysts — analyse and decipher encryption system & code designed to transmit military, political, financial, law enforcement etc...
Applied mathematicians start with a practical problem, envision its separate elements, and then reduce the elements to mathematical variables. They often use computers to analyse relationships among the variables, and they solve complex problems by developing models with alternative solutions.
I don’t see how looking up or researching statistics can be classed as needing vast knowledge in mathematics...
As an aside, my maths isn’t the best, but it’s been good enough for me to learn to fly both single and twin engine aircraft and fly myself cross country, and over the channel to France, Jersey etc...but I couldn’t possibly envisage learning how to be a cryptanalyst mathematician 😌
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There’s a huge difference between researching statistics for psychology to being an Applied Mathematician who uses
techniques, such as mathematical modelling and computational methods to formulate and solve practical problems in business, government, engineering, and the physical life. They have to analyse the most efficient way to schedule airline routes, the aerodynamic characteristics of an experimental automobile, the cost-effectiveness of alternative manufacturing processes...the effects and safety of new drugs..
They also work in industrial research and development where they develop mathematical methods when solving a difficult problem. Some mathematicians — called cryptanalysts — analyse and decipher encryption system & code designed to transmit military, political, financial, law enforcement etc...
Applied mathematicians start with a practical problem, envision its separate elements, and then reduce the elements to mathematical variables. They often use computers to analyse relationships among the variables, and they solve complex problems by developing models with alternative solutions.
I don’t see how looking up or researching statistics can be classed as needing vast knowledge in mathematics...
As an aside, my maths isn’t the best, but it’s been good enough for me to learn to fly both single and twin engine aircraft and fly myself cross country, and over the channel to France, Jersey etc...but I couldn’t possibly envisage learning how to be a cryptanalyst mathematician 😌
I didn't say you need to be a mathematician or statistician but if you don't have reasonable maths skills at say A level standard you would struggle somewhat and/or have to compensate in other areas.
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Are you suggesting some today don't live like Neanderthals?
Anthropology isn't just about how humans lived years ago.
If there are people who live like Neanderthals they’re not in my neck of the woods...
I do know, though, that Neanderthals, for all their lack of knowledge & basic tools, they seemed to have a certain sense of social acceptability which must come naturally. For example, they didn’t smear their bodies in faeces when they got angry and sit around in it for days...
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If there are people who live like Neanderthals they’re not in my neck of the woods...
I do know, though, that Neanderthals, for all their lack of knowledge & basic tools, they seemed to have a certain sense of social acceptability which must come naturally. For example, they didn’t smear their bodies in faeces when they got angry and sit around in it for days...
But Neanderthals were not caged.
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I didn't say you need to be a mathematician or statistician but if you don't have reasonable maths skills at say A level standard you would struggle somewhat and/or have to compensate in other areas.
I have OK math skills, but it was my weakest point at school and I don’t mind admitting it. Of course I can do basic/average mathematics but I never even tried to take maths as I was pretty hopeless, and actually hated it — on reflection I think I was too lazy to bother. Sounds embarrassing, but it’s the truth. It’s never held me back, though.
Besides, we have calculators now, and as I don’t need how to work out what XY+2m\0.05+.2 is Im not fussed! ^*&&
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I agree with your last point Spy, after my degree, I had a career in IT, not psychology. However, I think you should remove the word 'simply' from your comment on degree's. There is nothing 'simple' about it.
You’re right, Caroline...I shouldn’t have used the word “simply” — I tend to do that by habit.
I’ve changed it now 😊
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There's nothing simple about A levels either and to get into Russell Group unis today you need the A levels for most courses.
Actually, many A levels can be more difficult to pass than some degrees.
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There’s a huge difference between researching statistics for psychology to being an Applied Mathematician who uses
techniques, such as mathematical modelling and computational methods to formulate and solve practical problems in business, government, engineering, and the physical life. They have to analyse the most efficient way to schedule airline routes, the aerodynamic characteristics of an experimental automobile, the cost-effectiveness of alternative manufacturing processes...the effects and safety of new drugs..
They also work in industrial research and development where they develop mathematical methods when solving a difficult problem. Some mathematicians — called cryptanalysts — analyse and decipher encryption system & code designed to transmit military, political, financial, law enforcement etc...
Applied mathematicians start with a practical problem, envision its separate elements, and then reduce the elements to mathematical variables. They often use computers to analyse relationships among the variables, and they solve complex problems by developing models with alternative solutions.
I don’t see how looking up or researching statistics can be classed as needing vast knowledge in mathematics...
As an aside, my maths isn’t the best, but it’s been good enough for me to learn to fly both single and twin engine aircraft and fly myself cross country, and over the channel to France, Jersey etc...but I couldn’t possibly envisage learning how to be a cryptanalyst mathematician 😌
Your understanding of statistics is sparse. They aren't looked up or researched, they are a branch of mathematics.
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But Neanderthals were not caged.
That’s because they were homosapiens with inbred natural instincts not to kill others...
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I have OK math skills, but it was my weakest point at school and I don’t mind admitting it. Of course I can do basic/average mathematics but I never even tried to take maths as I was pretty hopeless, and actually hated it — on reflection I think I was too lazy to bother. Sounds embarrassing, but it’s the truth. It’s never held me back, though.
Besides, we have calculators now, and as I don’t need how to work out what XY+2m\0.05+.2 is Im not fussed! ^*&&
I always say maths as opposed to math as it sounds somewhat short tounged! I think it's about getting the basics right and building on it. I don't know if I could apply myself to advance maths because I haven't tried and don't have the inclination. Some people have a natural aptitude for it.
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Your understanding of statistics is sparse. They aren't looked up or researched, they are a branch of mathematics.
Do you think I don’t know what statistics are and how they’re formed?
Despite not being partial to mathematics even I could form statistics!
And statistics DO come from research: how else can a mathematicians, say, work out what percentage of the population is of ethnic minority? They need the figures to work it out. And the only way to get those figures is by research.
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Do you think I don’t know what statistics are and how they’re formed?
Despite not being partial to mathematics even I could form statistics!
And statistics DO come from research: how else can a mathematicians, say, work out what percentage of the population is of ethnic minority? They need the figures to work it out. And the only way to get those figures is by research.
Even your criptoanalyst needs data.
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Even your criptoanalyst needs data.
I just told YOU that!😳
Where do you think data comes from?