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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on July 19, 2019, 09:54:47 AM
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This is the number of times approximately GM/KM departed the unlocked patio doors during the evenings. If they left @ 8.30 pm for tapas and checked every 30 mins with the last check at 11.00 pm this would amount to 6 x's Sun - Wed and 3 x's on Thu. Most people will either sit out on the balcony and then go in when it gets cold/dark sliding the doors closed and locking them from within. Or most people will go out for the evening via the front door which can be locked from outside and reenter this way too.
Also please bear in mind how strange this might have sounded to Mrs Fenn who had lived above the McCanns for some 4 years. She would come to know what was usual and what wasn't with regard to the habits of holidaymakers. I would suggest hearing the patio doors sliding open and closed several times a night was not usual. I've lived in a well appointed apartment and sound travels especially doors. It's not a case of being nosey but just taking on board ambient noise from the environment. Although in the case of Mrs Fenn she might well have been somewhat hypervigiliant having sustained a recent attempted burglary.
Once T9 were seated in the tapas restaurant many could observe from vanatage points all this to and fro activity? Furthermore, according to BO, the group was, perhaps unsurprisingly, rather loud!
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It is the above imo that makes the case extremely unusual coupled with having someone who was aware of the above and chose to use it to his/her advantage to procure a child for whatever reason.
Two highly unusual events coming together.
You could have a situation where a family did what the McCanns did every night for 10 years and not have a problem.
You could have a situation where the most dangerous would be child abductor lived on the complex for 10 years and not have a problem.
The problem arose simply as a result of the two situations above coming together and colliding ie a freak occurrence.
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Do you have any evidence that the patio doots were left open every evening? They weren't on Sunday evening according to Gerry MvCann;
That they left the house by the main door, that he was sure he locked, it being that the rear door was also closed and locked
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm
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Do you have any evidence that the patio doots were left open every evening? They weren't on Sunday evening according to Gerry MvCann;
That they left the house by the main door, that he was sure he locked, it being that the rear door was also closed and locked
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm
Is this relevant?
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Do you have any evidence that the patio doots were left open every evening? They weren't on Sunday evening according to Gerry MvCann;
That they left the house by the main door, that he was sure he locked, it being that the rear door was also closed and locked
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm
I thought we covered this previously/recently?
The McCanns confirmed they left for tapas at 8.30pm every night via the patio doors.
The McCanns confirmed they checked every night via the patio doors.
RO who checked at circa 9.30pm on 3rd May confirmed he checked via the patio doors.
Mrs Fenn confirmed she heard the parents enter on 1st May at circa 11.45pm via the patio doors.
Here's the reconstruction vid and at approx 13.30 in GM confirms they carried out the checks via the patio doors so as not to disturb the children by using the front door which was a) nearer the children's room and b) may well have made more noise in closing it than the patio door in sliding it over.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9058.msg442846#msg442846
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Is this relevant?
Tbh I don't think any of the posts are relevant except mine 8)--))
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Tbh I don't think any of the posts are relevant except mine 8)--))
I have had that feeling for some time now. I think I've always suffered from a type of persecution complex.
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I have had that feeling for some time now. I think I've always suffered from a type of persecution complex.
You mean you think I think only my posts are relevant? Or you think only your own posts are relevant?
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You mean you think I think only my posts are relevant? Or you think only your own posts are relevant?
Maybe, but I don't think only my posts are relevant. I look at this forum as a team all working together to possibly solve this case. There is enough dedication and brain power to do it IMO.
I'm not sure if you feel part of the team as yet. You are more like me about 3 years ago.
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Maybe, but I don't think only my posts are relevant. I look at this forum as a team all working together to possibly solve this case. There is enough dedication and brain power to do it IMO.
I'm not sure if you feel part of the team as yet. You are more like me about 3 years ago.
I agree it is teamwork. Many pairs of eyes from different backgrounds. Also we are not under any pressure or expectation. Plus we have not been trained to look at something in a particular way which can help imo in the more unusual cases.
But I have not just looked at this case so I bring knowledge from other cases which helps. Eg I know the LCN DNA tests are meaningless based on the research I did on Bamber. I know wit stats and timelines are only ever approx and will always show benign inconsistencies based on Bamber, Essex Boys and Jill Dando/Barry George. I know efits and witness sightings are unreliable based on Jill Dando/Barry George.
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I thought we covered this previously/recently?
The McCanns confirmed they left for tapas at 8.30pm every night via the patio doors.
The McCanns confirmed they checked every night via the patio doors.
RO who checked at circa 9.30pm on 3rd May confirmed he checked via the patio doors.
Mrs Fenn confirmed she heard the parents enter on 1st May at circa 11.45pm via the patio doors.
Here's the reconstruction vid and at approx 13.30 in GM confirms they carried out the checks via the patio doors so as not to disturb the children by using the front door which was a) nearer the children's room and b) may well have made more noise in closing it than the patio door in sliding it over.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9058.msg442846#msg442846
You're not quoting facts, Holly. You're quoting what two witnesses said are facts. The witnesses may or may not be telling the truth.
Was Russell telling the truth about Sunday evening? He claimed he used the patio doors to check the McCann children, but both McCanns claim those doors were not unlocked on Sunday.
Mrs Fenn assumed the parents had arrived when she heard the patio doors open, but she didn't see them. It could have been one or both arriving or leaving or even someone else.
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You're not quoting facts, Holly. You're quoting what two witnesses said are facts. The witnesses may or may not be telling the truth.
Was Russell telling the truth about Sunday evening? He claimed he used the patio doors to check the MvCann children, but both McCanns claim those doors were not unlocked on Sunday.
Mrs Fenn assumed the parents had arrived when she heard the patio doors open, but she didn't see them. It could have been one or both arriving or leaving or even someone else.
I didn't say what I quoted was fact.
Why do you think the McCanns would say they left for tapas via patio doors and carried out the checks via these doors if this wasn't the case?
Why do you think RO would say he checked on 3rd May at circa 9.30 pm via the patio doors if this wasn't the case?
Mrs Fenn heard what she thought was MM crying on 1st May from 10.30 pm to 11.45 pm. She also heard a child calling Daddy, Daddy. Apparently all of this got louder and more expressive to the point she was so worried she felt the need to call a friend and discussed. At approx 11.45 pm she heard the patio doors open and the noise ceased. If this wasn't the McCanns entering who do you think it was?
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I didn't say what I quoted was fact.
Why do you think the McCanns would say they left for tapas via patio doors and carried out the checks via these doors if this wasn't the case?
Why do you think RO would say he checked on 3rd May at circa 9.30 pm via the patio doors if this wasn't the case?
Mrs Fenn heard what she thought was MM crying on 1st May from 10.30 pm to 11.45 pm. She also heard a child calling Daddy, Daddy. Apparently all of this got louder and more expressive to the point she was so worried she felt the need to call a friend and discussed. At approx 11.45 pm she heard the patio doors open and the noise ceased. If this wasn't the McCanns entering who do you think it was?
By calculating how many times the patio doors were used to enter/exit 5A you're inferring that you accept as a fact that they were so used.
Why might people say the patio doors were unlocked Monday-Thursday evening if they weren't? Obviously I don't know, but hypothetically to hide the fact that they were only left open on 3rd.
You may agree with Mrs Fenn that the patio doors were heard sliding on Tuesday because the parents were returning, but as neither of you saw them it's still an assumption. The fact is that she heard the patio doors, not that it was the parents moving them.
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By calculating how many times the patio doors were used to enter/exit 5A you're inferring that you accept as a fact that they were so used.
Why might people say the patio doors were unlocked Monday-Thursday evening if they weren't? Obviously I don't know, but hypothetically to hide the fact that they were only left open on 3rd.
You may agree with Mrs Fenn that the patio doors were heard sliding on Tuesday because the parents were returning, but as neither of you saw them it's still an assumption. The fact is that she heard the patio doors, not that it was the parents moving them.
But to make progress you have to use reasonable and sensible inferences.
You say you obviously don't know why they would say they used these doors it they didn't and that's just it there's no reasonable explanation to explain why they would say this if it wasn't true. Even if one takes the position they were directly involved in MM's death how does having the patio doors unlocked assist?
Agree Mrs Fenn did not see the McCanns arrive but I think its reasonable to draw a sensible inference:
- Mrs Fenn hears what she thinks is MM crying and calling Daddy, Daddy which gets louder and more expressive
- This noise goes on from 10.30 pm to 11.45 pm
- At 11.45 pm Mrs Fenn hears the patio doors open and the noise stops
If the above wasn't the McCanns entering 5A having just left tapas who was it and what caused the crying and calling Daddy to stop?
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I agree it is teamwork. Many pairs of eyes from different backgrounds. Also we are not under any pressure or expectation. Plus we have not been trained to look at something in a particular way which can help imo in the more unusual cases.
But I have not just looked at this case so I bring knowledge from other cases which helps. Eg I know the LCN DNA tests are meaningless based on the research I did on Bamber. I know wit stats and timelines are only ever approx and will always show benign inconsistencies based on Bamber, Essex Boys and Jill Dando/Barry George. I know efits and witness sightings are unreliable based on Jill Dando/Barry George.
How do you explain to yourself the eleven alerts by Eddie and Keela?
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But to make progress you have to use reasonable and sensible inferences.
You say you obviously don't know why they would say they used these doors it they didn't and that's just it there's no reasonable explanation to explain why they would say this if it wasn't true. Even if one takes the position they were directly involved in MM's death how does having the patio doors unlocked assist?
Agree Mrs Fenn did not see the McCanns arrive but I think its reasonable to draw a sensible inference:
- Mrs Fenn hears what she thinks is MM crying and calling Daddy, Daddy which gets louder and more expressive
- This noise goes on from 10.30 pm to 11.45 pm
- At 11.45 pm Mrs Fenn hears the patio doors open and the noise stops
If the above wasn't the McCanns entering 5A having just left tapas who was it and what caused the crying and calling Daddy to stop?
For their claim of abduction to work, the patio door has to be left open. Part of the staging.
If it were left open only on Thursday, this would look odd, so the door needs to be left unlocked every night, so as to establish the routine - even if it wasn't.
IMO
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For their claim of abduction to work, the patio door has to be left open. Part of the staging.
If it were left open only on Thursday, this would look odd, so the door needs to be left unlocked every night, so as to establish the routine.
IMO
But why does it have to be abduction from 5A and not outside? I just made a post on the other thread; if they wanted to stage an abduction then why not dispose of a pair of MM's footwear and KM/GM could say they found patio doors slightly open along with child gate and gate leading to road?
If the patio door was 'staged' why also 'stage' the bedroom shutter and window?
I think most would agree Mrs Fenn is a reliable and independent witness and it is sensible imo to infer from her wit stat the patio doors were unlocked when McCanns returned from tapas on 1st May.
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But why does it have to be abduction from 5A and not outside? I just made a post on the other thread; if they wanted to stage an abduction then why not dispose of a pair of MM's footwear and KM/GM could say they found patio doors slightly open along with child gate and gate leading to road?
If the patio door was 'staged' why also 'stage' the bedroom shutter and window?
I think most would agree Mrs Fenn is a reliable and independent witness and it is sensible imo to infer from her wit stat the patio doors were unlocked when McCanns returned from tapas on 1st May.
An alternative scenario is that Gerry opened the front door with key and then opened patio door to let Kate in, as he done during the day.
Unlike you, I don't believe there was a stranger abduction.
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An alternative scenario is that Gerry opened the front door with key and then opened patio door to let Kate in, as he done during the day.
Unlike you, I don't believe there was a stranger abduction.
But a) Mrs Fenn didn't hear the front door open and b) why would GM at 11.45pm open the front door to enter 5A only to then open the patio door to let KM in?
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But a) Mrs Fenn didn't hear the front door open and b) why would GM at 11.45pm open the front door to enter 5A only to then open the patio door to let KM in?
Correction - she didn't mention it. You don't know what she heard.
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Correction - she didn't mention it. You don't know what she heard.
Ok well if she did hear the front door open or close she did not mention this to investigators.
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Ok well if she did hear the front door open or close she did not mention this to investigators.
Exactly
Neither did she mention the door opening & closing several times on the Tuesday, so perhaps your closure count needs to be amended.
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Exactly
But why in your opinion do you think the McCanns returned from tapas on 1st May with one entering via the front door and the other via the patio doors?
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How do you explain to yourself the eleven alerts by Eddie and Keela?
This had nothing to do with the thread title.
I've already explained my position re the dogs on the relevant threads.
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Exactly
Neither did she mention the door opening & closing several times on the Tuesday, so perhaps your closure count needs to be amended.
But as you've already said the fact she didn't mention something doesn't mean she didn't hear it:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10900.msg546582#msg546582
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But as you've already said the fact she didn't mention something doesn't mean she didn't hear it:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10900.msg546582#msg546582
Either way, you shouldn't count events you don't know about for sure - IMO
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Either way, you shouldn't count events you don't know about for sure - IMO
But there are very few things in life we know about for sure. Even in the criminal courts the accused is found 'not guilty' or 'guilty beyond reasonable doubt'. There's nothing for sure about it. If there was we would not have miscarriages of justice.
I am not emotionally invested in this case. I can empathise with the McCanns over their plight because I believe in all probability MM was abducted from 5A but tbh I struggle to warm to them. I hate the BS about keeping an eye on 5A from the tapas and I hate their ill thought out campaign which imo has done more harm than good.
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But there are very few things in life we know about for sure. Even in the criminal courts the accused is found 'not guilty' or 'guilty beyond reasonable doubt'. There's nothing for sure about it. If there was we would not have miscarriages of justice.
I am not emotionally invested in this case. I can empathise with the McCanns over their plight because I believe in all probability MM was abducted from 5A but tbh I struggle to warm to them. I hate the BS about keeping an eye on 5A from the tapas and I hate their ill thought out campaign which imo has done more harm than good.
They went out each evening leaving their 3 children unattended. That's for sure
They lost Madeleine due to their poor child care arrangements. That's for sure
They are a pair of selfish a*seholes. That's for sure - oh, sorry that's just an opinion
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They went out each evening leaving their 3 children unattended. That's for sure
They lost Madeleine due to their poor child care arrangements. That's for sure
They are a pair of selfish a*seholes. That's for sure - oh, sorry that's just an opinion
Yeah I kinda agree with that but it doesn't make them directly responsible for MM's disappearance.
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But why in your opinion do you think the McCanns returned from tapas on 1st May with one entering via the front door and the other via the patio doors?
Same reason they did it any other time, perhaps?
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This is the number of times approximately GM/KM departed the unlocked patio doors during the evenings. If they left @ 8.30 pm for tapas and checked every 30 mins with the last check at 11.00 pm this would amount to 6 x's Sun - Wed and 3 x's on Thu. Most people will either sit out on the balcony and then go in when it gets cold/dark sliding the doors closed and locking them from within. Or most people will go out for the evening via the front door which can be locked from outside and reenter this way too.
Also please bear in mind how strange this might have sounded to Mrs Fenn who had lived above the McCanns for some 4 years. She would come to know what was usual and what wasn't with regard to the habits of holidaymakers. I would suggest hearing the patio doors sliding open and closed several times a night was not usual. I've lived in a well appointed apartment and sound travels especially doors. It's not a case of being nosey but just taking on board ambient noise from the environment. Although in the case of Mrs Fenn she might well have been somewhat hypervigiliant having sustained a recent attempted burglary.
Once T9 were seated in the tapas restaurant many could observe from vanatage points all this to and fro activity? Furthermore, according to BO, the group was, perhaps unsurprisingly, rather loud!
"This is the number of times approximately GM/KM departed the unlocked patio doors during the evenings. If they left @ 8.30 pm for tapas and checked every 30 mins with the last check at 11.00 pm this would amount to 6 x's Sun - Wed and 3 x's on Thu. "
The evening MBM was allegedly abducted, was the only night as claimed by parents and some T9 there was any actual physical checking- strange coincidence.
DP checking on the family before bedtime, Gerry had his loving father moment and Kate finding her daughter abducted! Mat had a wee listen at the door.. so many checks on that one eve and it so happens to be the one evening one disappears!
OK so let us go with the every 30 minute check. If this was a schedule they all followed- why the need for versions of a time line and confusion about doors?
leave for Tapas @8.30
then @9 pm
then @9.30
Then @10pm
We are told by the T7 that they never checked on each others children so... how many times did Kate and Gerry go and check their childen that eve? once by Gerry and once by Kate! The fact that they had to try and remember the times is unbelievable
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But why in your opinion do you think the McCanns returned from tapas on 1st May with one entering via the front door and the other via the patio doors?
As far as I know they had been leaving / entering the Apartment in that way from Monday. There are several references to it from various sources.
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As far as I know they had been leaving / entering the Apartment in that way from Monday. There are several references to it from various sources.
If there are several about how they left the apartment in the evenings which deviate from locked front door and unlocked patio doors I would be most grateful if you could supply one or two.
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If there are several about how they left the apartment in the evenings which deviate from locked front door and unlocked patio doors I would be most grateful if you could supply one or two.
I meant there are several references to daytime and evenings whereby when they leave or enter one uses the front door and the other the patio door.
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I meant there are several references to daytime and evenings whereby when they leave or enter one uses the front door and the other the patio door.
IMO the only purpose was to make it easier for one parent, the other locked up the patio door from inside and left by the locked front door and came around the long way.
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IMO the only purpose was to make it easier for one parent, the other locked up the patio door from inside and left by the locked front door and came around the long way.
It's a very odd story. That appears to leave a single parent to negotiate the baby gate, the flight of stairs, and the garden gate, whilst looking after 3 very young children.
The easy route was via the front door, with no flight of stairs, two parents to 3 kiddies. Gerry testified they did that at least once. Wednesday?
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I meant there are several references to daytime and evenings whereby when they leave or enter one uses the front door and the other the patio door.
I believe you are mixing day with night. Afaik they have always been consistent with the night arrangements ie front door locked and patio doors closed but unlocked and exiting and re-entering and exiting to carry out the checks via the patio doors.
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It's a very odd story. That appears to leave a single parent to negotiate the baby gate, the flight of stairs, and the garden gate, whilst looking after 3 very young children.
The easy route was via the front door, with no flight of stairs, two parents to 3 kiddies. Gerry testified they did that at least once. Wednesday?
I agree without some additional info or explanation it seems odd to me too.
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For their claim of abduction to work, the patio door has to be left open. Part of the staging.
If it were left open only on Thursday, this would look odd, so the door needs to be left unlocked every night, so as to establish the routine - even if it wasn't.
IMO
In which case why bother 'staging' the window and shutter too?
Mrs Fenn heard the patio doors open on 1st May and the crying and calling for Daddy stopped at the same time. To my mind this is sufficient evidence to support the McCanns claims that they exited for tapas via the patio doors and re-entered and exited this way when carrying out the checks along with retiring for the night via the patio doors. The reason they have given for doing this is that it was quieter to use these doors as opposed to the front door which was nearer to the children's bedroom.
Your counter argument to this is that possibly GM entered via the locked front door, walked through the apartment and opened the locked from inside patio door to allow KM in. To my mind this is stretching what's plausible to fit a wedded to narrative.
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In which case why bother 'staging' the window and shutter too?
Mrs Fenn heard the patio doors open on 1st May and the crying and calling for Daddy stopped at the same time. To my mind this is sufficient evidence to support the McCanns claims that they exited for tapas via the patio doors and re-entered and exited this way when carrying out the checks along with retiring for the night via the patio doors. The reason they have given for doing this is that it was quieter to use these doors as opposed to the front door which was nearer to the children's bedroom.
Your counter argument to this is that possibly GM entered via the locked front door, walked through the apartment and opened the locked from inside patio door to allow KM in. To my mind this is stretching what's plausible to fit a wedded to narrative.
They all used the long route to check as is told in their documentary. Since Gerry can't recall or is confused about back and front door it is difficult to analyse properly.Jane certainly walked past the McCanns gate and around the corner to get to her apartment.
Patio doors make a noise- Mrs Fenn could hear them, she never mentiones hearing front door entry/ exit.
IF an abductor carried MBM out of the apartment via any exit ther would have been some marks as he/she/ they would have to open/close behind them. Kate claims it was the window. No one else saw the open window/shutters.
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They all used the long route to check as is told in their documentary. Since Gerry can't recall or is confused about back and front door it is difficult to analyse properly.Jane certainly walked past the McCanns gate and around the corner to get to her apartment.
Patio doors make a noise- Mrs Fenn could hear them, she never mentiones hearing front door entry/ exit.
IF an abductor carried MBM out of the apartment via any exit ther would have been some marks as he/she/ they would have to open/close behind them. Kate claims it was the window. No one else saw the open window/shutters.
With regard to the evening checking arrangements, T4 have always been consistent in that they left all doors locked and carried out the checks via the front doors. The Paynes had the monitor in-situ and afaik did not carry out any checks and in any event all doors were locked.
When the McCanns arrived at OC they found the cots in the back bedroom (overlooking pool). They made the decision to move these to the front bedroom (overlooking car park) which then placed the children's bedroom close to the front door, hence when they went out to tapas they exited via the unlocked patio doors and carried out the checks via these doors as it was furthest away from the children's bedroom and made less noise.
I think you've answered your own question in that Mrs Fenn doesn't mention the front door since it wasn't used at night.
Why would any abductor leave marks behind? Unless they suffered some sort of cognitive impairment or mental illness they would be mindful of what they were doing was criminal and would take basic steps to avoid detection ie don a pair of gloves.
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With regard to the evening checking arrangements, T4 have always been consistent in that they left all doors locked and carried out the checks via the front doors. The Paynes had the monitor in-situ and afaik did not carry out any checks and in any event all doors were locked.
When the McCanns arrived at OC they found the cots in the back bedroom (overlooking pool). They made the decision to move these to the front bedroom (overlooking car park) which then placed the children's bedroom close to the front door, hence when they went out to tapas they exited via the unlocked patio doors and carried out the checks via these doors as it was furthest away from the children's bedroom and made less noise.
I think you've answered your own question in that Mrs Fenn doesn't mention the front door since it wasn't used at night.
Why would any abductor leave marks behind? Unless they suffered some sort of cognitive impairment or mental illness they would be mindful of what they were doing was criminal and would take basic steps to avoid detection ie don a pair of gloves.
This brings me to the question- why would the dogs follow a scent alledgedly of MBM going out the front door. According to Kate MBM would have used the patio doors if leaving to fetch them.
If MBM was being carried out the front door how would the dog pick up scent of MBM?
They may use gloves but that would leave smudge marks on door/handles- none were found and going out the window would need a very small professional chinese circus performer.IMO
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Would some carrying Madeleine out the front door, particularly carrying her in the method described by Tanner be able to lock the door after them, or would they need a trusty assistant for that too ?
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If someone had entered via the patio doors, picked Madeleine up and made an exit via the front door (that type of door where I am from, does auto-lock upon closing), the Tanner sighting is not plausible because of the position of Madeleine’s bed in the room, against the wall at the bedroom entrance and the way the child was carried i.e. head over left arm and legs over right arm. Unless that person was savvy enough to change her position in his arms to mislead the investigation to follow.
The only other explanation, in my opinion, is that the person picked Madeleine up and passed her through the window to someone else, thus the orientation of the child according to Tanner.
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If someone had entered via the patio doors, picked Madeleine up and made an exit via the front door (that type of door where I am from, does auto-lock upon closing), the Tanner sighting is not plausible because of the position of Madeleine’s bed in the room, against the wall at the bedroom entrance and the way the child was carried i.e. head over left arm and legs over right arm. Unless that person was savvy enough to change her position in his arms to mislead the investigation to follow.
The only other explanation, in my opinion, is that the person picked Madeleine up and passed her through the window to someone else, thus the orientation of the child according to Tanner.
There's a simpler explanation; it wasn't Madeleine.
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If someone had entered via the patio doors, picked Madeleine up and made an exit via the front door (that type of door where I am from, does auto-lock upon closing), the Tanner sighting is not plausible because of the position of Madeleine’s bed in the room, against the wall at the bedroom entrance and the way the child was carried i.e. head over left arm and legs over right arm. Unless that person was savvy enough to change her position in his arms to mislead the investigation to follow.
The only other explanation, in my opinion, is that the person picked Madeleine up and passed her through the window to someone else, thus the orientation of the child according to Tanner.
I think it has been discounted that anyone went in or out of the window
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There's a simpler explanation; it wasn't Madeleine.
The simpler solution is very often the correct one - IMO
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G-Unit, are you then believing Redwood’s “revelation moment” that Dr Totman was that person?
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G-Unit, are you then believing Redwood’s “revelation moment” that Dr Totman was that person?
Redwood never mentioned any one by name,the lead investigators the press did that.
So it might not have been him.
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G-Unit, are you then believing Redwood’s “revelation moment” that Dr Totman was that person?
I don't recall Redwood naming Totman?
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Would some carrying Madeleine out the front door, particularly carrying her in the method described by Tanner be able to lock the door after them, or would they need a trusty assistant for that too ?
I have a recent example where that would be achievable, assuming the door simply pulled shut.