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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: VIXTE on March 13, 2017, 07:23:05 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4307446/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-search-resort-worker.html?ito=social-facebook
Police are searching for a resort worker who they claim 'kept secrets' from them during the initial investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
An insider has revealed officers are searching for a Portuguese man who was nearby when the three-year-old went missing while on holiday in the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007.
A Portuguese police source told the Daily Mirror: ‘This Portuguese man used to work at the club resort, he speaks a bit of English.
CMTV video (http://www.cmjornal.pt/multimedia/videos/detalhe/ha-um-novo-suspeito-no-desaparecimento-de-maddie-mccann)
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This is the Mirror report the others seem to be feeding off. It has one additional piece of information that does not appear to have been picked up by subsidiary stories. This alleged fact can be checked, and I'm about half way through that check now.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-hunt-worker-10013618
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Due to the wording of the Mirror report, I am unclear as to whether it means the said person worked in the OC or merely in the resort of Luz. I am getting a bit distracted by other things so I have still to sift through the candidates.
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Of course, there are those on this forum who don't believe a word of this report, who believe that it is highly unlikely that a) the PJ would give a comment to UK Press and b) that it is highly unlikely that the Met are actively pursuing this lead and c) that this story probably got fed to the media by the McCanns or their associates.
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Due to the wording of the Mirror report, I am unclear as to whether it means the said person worked in the OC or merely in the resort of Luz. I am getting a bit distracted by other things so I have still to sift through the candidates.
My reading of it, if true, is that he was an Ocean Club worker and was there on the night that Madeleine disappeared. It is quite unbelievable that Portuguese police are still allegedly leaking this sort of information after previously stating that all enquiries would be kept confidential. They really need to review their procedures otherwise there is a serious risk that yet another inocente could end up a scapegoat for their ineptitude.
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Dunno where the tales come from nor do I care but for three years now we have been hearing how The Met are hot on the tails of [ fill in to suit moment in time]
Someone should give The Met a salt pot , it might help catch 'em who ever they are.
Is the guy they were hot on the tail of three years ago the same one they are hot on the tail of now or was the three years ago story inaccurate... &%+((£
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Dunno where the tales come from nor do I care but for three years now we have been hearing how The Met are hot on the tails of [ fill in to suit moment in time]
Someone should give The Met a salt pot , it might help catch 'em who ever they are.
Is the guy they were hot on the tail of three years ago the same one they are hot on the tail of now or was the three years ago story inaccurate... &%+((£
There can't be that many male resort workers who 'were nearby' and who gave a statement. Must be one of the tapas waiters.
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There can't be that many male resort workers who 'were nearby' and who gave a statement. Must be one of the tapas waiters.
Or the Millenium staff, maintenance workers and people on a night off but in the village that night. None of them
"gave a witness statement two days after the girl vanished," however, so someone's got that wrong.
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Dunno where the tales come from nor do I care but for three years now we have been hearing how The Met are hot on the tails of [ fill in to suit moment in time]
Someone should give The Met a salt pot , it might help catch 'em who ever they are.
Is the guy they were hot on the tail of three years ago the same one they are hot on the tail of now or was the three years ago story inaccurate... &%+((£
I don't believe they are hot on the trail of anyone.
If there's one thing that has shone through in this investigation, it it the sheer lack of urgency.
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I don't believe they are hot on the trail of anyone.
If there's one thing that has shone through in this investigation, it it the sheer lack of urgency.
And the total absence of any results.
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My reading of it is that he is was an Ocean Club worker and was there on the night that Madeleine disappeared. It is quite unbelievable that Portuguese police are still allegedly leaking this sort of information after previously stating that all enquiries would be kept confidential. They really need to review their procedures otherwise there is a serious risk that yet another inocente could end up a scapegoat for their ineptitude.
What proof do you have that this has originated from the Portuguese John ?
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Of course, there are those on this forum who don't believe a word of this report, who believe that it is highly unlikely that a) the PJ would give a comment to UK Press and b) that it is highly unlikely that the Met are actively pursuing this lead and c) that this story probably got fed to the media by the McCanns or their associates.
Yep that about sums me up.
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What proof do you have that this has originated from the Portuguese John ?
No proof as such only what is claimed in the Daily Mail article...
A Portuguese police source told the Daily Mirror: ‘This Portuguese man used to work at the club resort, he speaks a bit of English.
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No proof as such only what is claimed in the article.
So no proof at all. Begs the question then why are you posting the information as fact?
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So no proof at all. Begs the question then why are you posting the information as fact?
I never stated it was fact so have amended my initial post #4 accordingly.
According to Portuguese daily Correio da Manhã however, "Investigators at the British Metropolitan Police say the suspect has not worked for several years at the Ocean Club, but he is still in Portugal."
http://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/ingleses-com-novo-suspeito-no-desaparecimento-de-maddie
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I don't believe they are hot on the trail of anyone.
If there's one thing that has shone through in this investigation, it it the sheer lack of urgency.
Despite Alice's accusation I don't believe the Met have EVER claimed to be "hot on the trail" of any individual or individuals.
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More here about this man.
https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/cmtv-debate-on-operation-granges-new.html
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Scotland Yard have claimed nothing about the reason for the extension granted by the Home Office for Madeleine's case to be investigated.
Who is the employee who is being accused on Portuguese TV of burglarising German tourists' apartment around lunchtime on 3rd May?
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More here about this man.
https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/cmtv-debate-on-operation-granges-new.html
So it would seem that the news story is accurate and that the PJ are indeed leaking like sieves again, just as I said. Such bile from Carlos Anjos though, what a lovely man!
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Scotland Yard have claimed nothing about the reason for the extension granted by the Home Office for Madeleine's case to be investigated.
Who is the employee who is being accused on Portuguese TV of burglarising German tourists' apartment around lunchtime on 3rd May?
Dunno but Carlos An[Name removed]os seems to know where he is, so the Met should have a word with him.
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So it would seem that the news story is accurate and that the PJ are indeed leaking like sieves again, just as I said. Such bile from Carlos Anjos though, what a lovely man!
I'm intrigued by the burglar, Alfie.
I would say that the practice of leaking suddenly being resumed is indicative that Scotland Yard is getting someone, somewhere rather hotter under the collar than they are comfortable with.
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I'm intrigued by the burglar, Alfie.
I would say that the practice of leaking suddenly being resumed is indicative that Scotland Yard is getting someone, somewhere rather hotter under the collar than they are comfortable with.
The pair of commentators sound so chippy, so defensive as if they themselves had been personally affronted by the Met and the McCanns - and not to mention paranoid. Can you imagine a British ex-policeman talking on TV in such a bitter, bitchy manner about the parents of a missing child? No class, these Portugeezers.
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I never stated it was fact so have amended my initial post #4 accordingly.
According to Portuguese daily Correio da Manhã however, "Investigators at the British Metropolitan Police say the suspect has not worked for several years at the Ocean Club, but he is still in Portugal."
http://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/ingleses-com-novo-suspeito-no-desaparecimento-de-maddie
So SY leaking?
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2@ Alfie
If you read my post properly you will find I didn't attribute the tales to The Met.
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More here about this man.
https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/cmtv-debate-on-operation-granges-new.html
Thanks jassi.
So it is revealed slowly but surely, there was a burglary at noon, probably by a member of staff.
Carlos Anjos... "They cannot justify, that just because the man committed a crime of burglary at noon and since they don't have anyone else the guy of the noon robbery will do, this is wanting to place the suspect at the crime scene, this is wanting to forcefully place the blame. I just don't understand this investigation."
https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/cmtv-debate-on-operation-granges-new.html
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Wasn't that article typically Portuguese?
"Rui Pereira - Well, this is completely out of step with reality. If I believed in conspirational theories I would say that this is the reaction of the English authorities to Gonçalo Amaral's aquittal. It's a curious way to approach this situation but nothing else really explains that a new lead was followed now, when is in fact an old lead, where the indicia are incompatible with the practice of a crime committed against the child. In reality there is an assumption that is vexatious for us, that is a sort of insinuation, or presumptuousness, that our police authorities are incompetent, that our criminal police bodies don't know how to investigate this case and so on. Well, that is not in question, what is in question in this case, and we always have to return to the beginning, is: parents that were not sufficiently diligent with securing their children, toddlers practically, parents that left them to their own fate, who could have been eventually persecuted for the crime of exposure and abandonment (neglect) and weren't. Then, in question is an investigation that was extremely difficult due to lack of leads, lack of concrete evidence."
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Thanks jassi.
So it is revealed slowly but surely, there was a burglary at noon, probably by a member of staff.
Carlos Anjos... "They cannot justify, that just because the man committed a crime of burglary at noon and since they don't have anyone else the guy of the noon robbery will do, this is wanting to place the suspect at the crime scene, this is wanting to forcefully place the blame. I just don't understand this investigation."
https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/cmtv-debate-on-operation-granges-new.html
I thought the original article made it clear that the Met did not think he had taken Madeleine only that he might have information about who had.
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So SY leaking?
Carlos Anjos? He works for Scotland Yard, does he?
Although on reflection he probably does.
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Carlos Anjos is going to come seriously unstuck in a minute.
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The problem is that some people here in Portugal believe that what comes out in the British press is true! Then they waste their time discussing these fabrications, which I believe come from Clarence Mitchell in order to divert the public's opinion from the SC's decision.
IMO if SY wanted a whitewash, they would have finished long ago and certainly before spending £ 11 million.
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The problem is that some people here in Portugal believe that what comes out in the British press is true! Then they waste their time discussing these fabrications, which I believe come from Clarence Mitchell in order to divert the public's opinion from the SC's decision.
IMO if SY wanted a whitewash, they would have finished long ago and certainly before spending £ 11 million.
ROFL.
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ROFL.
What do you find so funny?
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What do you find so funny?
your ludicrous assertion that this story was invented by Clarence Mitchell and that top ex-cop Carlos Anjou was too stupid to realise it.
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What do you find so funny?
posts 9 ,11,14,17,22
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The problem is that some people here in Portugal believe that what comes out in the British press is true! Then they waste their time discussing these fabrications, which I believe come from Clarence Mitchell in order to divert the public's opinion from the SC's decision.
IMO if SY wanted a whitewash, they would have finished long ago and certainly before spending £ 11 million.
Whilst what, in the early days of Madeleine's abduction, what was rehashed in the English press from the Portuguese press was the epitome of unvarnished truth ....
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Thanks jassi.
So it is revealed slowly but surely, there was a burglary at noon, probably by a member of staff.
Carlos Anjos... "They cannot justify, that just because the man committed a crime of burglary at noon and since they don't have anyone else the guy of the noon robbery will do, this is wanting to place the suspect at the crime scene, this is wanting to forcefully place the blame. I just don't understand this investigation."
https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/cmtv-debate-on-operation-granges-new.html
I've never read anything at all about this burglary at noon. Have I missed something?
I would have thought that it was a highly significant occurrence if a man had entered and walked through holiday premises uninvited on the afternoon of the same night a child was reported missing from her bed in the same complex.
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The problem is that some people here in Portugal believe that what comes out in the British press is true! Then they waste their time discussing these fabrications, which I believe come from Clarence Mitchell in order to divert the public's opinion from the SC's decision.
IMO if SY wanted a whitewash, they would have finished long ago and certainly before spending £ 11 million.
No! They had a load of manhours they could book to on someone elses budget.
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Carlos Anjos? He works for Scotland Yard, does he?
Although on reflection he probably does.
According to Portuguese daily Correio da Manhã however, "Investigators at the British Metropolitan Police say the suspect has not worked for several years at the Ocean Club, but he is still in Portugal."
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Leaked by the Portuguese
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There can't be that many male resort workers who 'were nearby' and who gave a statement. Must be one of the tapas waiters.
If I remember correctly there was one who came to the office, together with his girlfriend, to pick up a payslip
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I've never read anything at all about this burglary at noon. Have I missed something?
I would have thought that it was a highly significant occurrence if a man had entered and walked through holiday premises uninvited on the afternoon of the same night a child was reported missing from her bed in the same complex.
I have never seen it revealed before that there was a burglary around noon on the day that Madeleine disappeared. But it is a big step from a nicking a bit of tourist tat to kidnapping a child don't you think?
The coincidence is in the day but little else imo. Certainly the Portuguese police have shown little interest in this petty burglar.
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I have never seen it revealed before that there was a burglary around noon on the day that Madeleine disappeared. But it is a big step from a nicking a bit of tourist tat to kidnapping a child don't you think?
The coincidence is in the day but little else imo. Certainly the Portuguese police have shown little interest in this petty burglar.
The pj have showed little interest in anyone because they were convinced the parents were guilty according to amaral
SY obviously don't agree with them
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The pj have showed little interest in anyone because they were convinced the parents were guilty according to amaral
SU obviously don't agree with them
It could be significant if the burglar has a set of keys to block G5.
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Whilst what, in the early days of Madeleine's abduction, what was rehashed in the English press from the Portuguese press was the epitome of unvarnished truth ....
Brietta has , as have other mods, said to stop typing opinions as fact.
Abduction is an opinion.
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Brietta has , as have other mods, said to stop typing opinions as fact.
Abduction is an opinion.
exactly ferryman shouldnt say maddie was abducted when there is no proof either should dave and others imo
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Brietta has , as have other mods, said to stop typing opinions as fact.
Abduction is an opinion.
Abduction is an option not an opinion. To make matters worse it is the preferred option by Operation Grange (OG).
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Abduction is an option not an opinion. To make matters worse it is the preferred option by Operation Grange (OG).
It remains an opinion, unsupported by any substantial evidence.
I presume you are aware of Moita Flores view on this, and he was involved in the initial investigation ?
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It remains an opinion, unsupported by any substantial evidence.
I presume you are aware of Moita Flores view on this, and he was involved in the initial investigation ?
His opinion is just an opinion. He is another who think that because Goncalo won his case he is right about the scenario he proposed as part of his thesis, but the judges make it clear they are not making a determination on what happened.
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His opinion is just an opinion.
You have double standards.
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You have double standards.
No I haven't. You can list options but you have only one opinion.
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Do you think that because Goncalo won his case he is right about the scenario he proposed as part of his thesis?
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There are many opinions but the only one that matters is the investigating police force
Is
SY
Who are looking for an abductor
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There are many opinions but the only one that matters is the investigating police force
Is
SY
Who are looking for an abductor
You can only find evidence if it exists. 8(0(*
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There are many opinions but the only one that matters is the investigating police force
Is
SY
Who are looking for an abductor
That is their preferred option but in my opinion it is still the wrong one (not as a burglary gone wrong).
You can only find evidence if it exists. 8(0(*
So you have to look in the right place.
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I have never seen it revealed before that there was a burglary around noon on the day that Madeleine disappeared. But it is a big step from a nicking a bit of tourist tat to kidnapping a child don't you think?
The coincidence is in the day but little else imo. Certainly the Portuguese police have shown little interest in this petty burglar.
As I have already pointed out, the report does clearly state that the Met don't suspect him of kidnapping Madeleine himself, did you miss that bit?
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That is their preferred option but in my opinion it is still the wrong one (not as a burglary gone wrong).
So you have to look in the right place.
..and your opinion is based on what exactly ?
How do you know evidence of abduction exists ?
You know of course, if there is none, what that means ?
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There are many opinions but the only one that matters is the investigating police force
Is
SY
Who are looking for an abductor
They are not the only ones that matter because they are not able to act without the help and co-operation of the Portuguese. OG can think whatever they like, it doesn't mean their thinking is correct. The Met are not infallible as we have seen on numerous occasions.
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They are not the only ones that matter because they are not able to act without the help and co-operation of the Portuguese. OG can think whatever they like, it doesn't mean their thinking is correct. The Met are not infallible as we have seen on numerous occasions.
they are the only ones taht matter because they are the only ones investigating and it is crystal clear they are not investigating the mccanns. Should they find evidence then the pj will have no choice but to act on it
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they are yje only ones taht amtter because tehy are teh only ones investigating and it is crystal clear they are not investigating teh mccanns. Should they find evidence then the pj will have no choice but to act on it
You know the PJ are not investigating then? How do you know that? The PJ don't have to act on anything unless the judiciary, having evaluated any evidence offered by OG, tell them to. The judiciary will also decide whether any evidence is sufficient to justify bringing any charges. Much as you would like the Met to be in charge, they're not.
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they are yje only ones taht amtter because tehy are teh only ones investigating and it is crystal clear they are not investigating teh mccanns. Should they find evidence then the pj will have no choice but to act on it
...and on and on and on......................
Without finding anything.
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...and on and on and on......................
Without finding anything.
but its clear that the mccanns are not suspects...get over it
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A crime, if one occurred remains unknown.
New evidence could come to light.
The McCann's remain in the spotlight.
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There are many opinions but the only one that matters is the investigating police force
Is
SY
Who are looking for an abductor
A very interesting proposition when extended to its logical end.
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Did the burglar have a set of keys to block G5? How did he enter the room at midday?
Remember a set of security keys had gone missing.
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Did the burglar have a set of keys to block G5? How did he enter the room at midday?
Remember a set of security keys had gone missing.
What burglar bob ?
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What burglar bob ?
Hints of it here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8014.msg389764#msg389764
and here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8014.msg389835#msg389835
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Hints of it here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8014.msg389764#msg389764
and here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8014.msg389835#msg389835
.............and absolutely nothing to link a burglar /abductor to the Mccann case.
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.............and absolutely nothing to link a burglar /abductor to the Mccann case.
yet
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.............and absolutely nothing to link a burglar /abductor to the Mccann case.
Did I say there was?
These were my questions and my memo: "Did the burglar have a set of keys to block G5? How did he enter the room at midday?
Remember a set of security keys had gone missing."
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Did I say there was?
These were my questions and my memo: "Did the burglar have a set of keys to block G5? How did he enter the room at midday?
Remember a set of security keys had gone missing."
You ask the questions that there are no answers to.
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It could be significant if the burglar has a set of keys to block G5.
Burglars don't steal children.
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There are many opinions but the only one that matters is the investigating police force
Is
SY
Who are looking for an abductor
Actually, they are looking for a scapegoat, dead or alive, so they can close the case and justify the £13 million they squandered.
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Actually, they are looking for a scapegoat, dead or alive, so they can close the case and justify the £13 million they squandered.
Is that a known fact or just your opinion?
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Is that a known fact or just your opinion?
According to the article posted earlier. Seems the Portuguese are still very much interested in the tapas group.
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Actually, they are looking for a scapegoat, dead or alive, so they can close the case and justify the £13 million they squandered.
If so, they have a problem because convincing evidence will be needed.
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According to the article posted earlier. Seems the Portuguese are still very much interested in the tapas group.
So mere speculation.
One wonders why if SY are just looking for a scapegoat to justify the amount spent, they didn't " find" one by now and save having to ask for more money.
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So mere speculation.
One wonders why if SY are just looking for a scapegoat to justify the amount spent, they didn't " find" by now and save having to ask for more money.
I would say it has little to do with speculation as the two people who were interviewed, namely, Carlos Anjos, former PJ inspector and former head of the Criminal Investigation Officers' Union and Rui Pereira, former Minister of Internal Affairs, were both very aware of the evidence in the case. It is extremely interesting that they discount abduction and look to the tapas group for answers.
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According to the article posted earlier. Seems the Portuguese are still very much interested in the tapas group.
One of them should get the timeline sorted first.
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I've never read anything at all about this burglary at noon. Have I missed something?
I would have thought that it was a highly significant occurrence if a man had entered and walked through holiday premises uninvited on the afternoon of the same night a child was reported missing from her bed in the same complex.
I'd be surprised if it exists. According to book-keeper Maria Goncalves, statement date 7 May 2007, part of her job was preparing reports of thefts for insurance purposes. The last one she had done was for 5L on 16 Apr 2007. No mention of a 3 May 2007 incident.
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I'd be surprised if it exists. According to book-keeper Maria Goncalves, statement date 7 May 2007, part of her job was preparing reports of thefts for insurance purposes. The last one she had done was for 5L on 16 Apr 2007. No mention of a 3 May 2007 incident.
Nothing of any value was taken in the McCann case remember.
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Did the burglar have a set of keys to block G5? How did he enter the room at midday?
Remember a set of security keys had gone missing.
Did it? I doubt it very much indeed.
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Did it? I doubt it very much indeed.
I think they did. Maintenance keys and it has been discussed before.
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According to the article posted earlier. Seems the Portuguese are still very much interested in the tapas group.
The present investigation isn't
They are part of the old investigation whose evidence was discredited
See the archiving report
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The present investigation isn't
They are part of the old investigation whose evidence was discredited
See the archiving report
What happens to the archiving report when the case gets reopened? That archiving report must be rescinded in the process, so we may not be able to refer to that report as being current now.
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Nothing of any value was taken in the McCann case remember.
Not the McCann incident. The tale that has only just surfaced that there was a burglary around noon on the 3rd, one that that does not appear in the PJ Files. Not in the files plus no mention until now = highly unlikely.
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I think they did. Maintenance keys and it has been discussed before.
That's another tale that is not in the PJ Files, surfaced relatively recently, and does not stand up to scrutiny.
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That's another tale that is not in the PJ Files, surfaced relatively recently, and does not stand up to scrutiny.
Any of these odd tales will be hard to scrutinise properly. I looked into the missing keys and thought it was still possible, but it comes down to opinion in the end.
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I have never seen it revealed before that there was a burglary around noon on the day that Madeleine disappeared. But it is a big step from a nicking a bit of tourist tat to kidnapping a child don't you think?
The coincidence is in the day but little else imo. Certainly the Portuguese police have shown little interest in this petty burglar.
If they knew about it at the time I find it incredible they didn't link it to the other burglaries rife in the resort. In particular in relation to the two known home invasions which had taken place in block 5 in the days prior to the McCann's arrival in Luz.
There was either an individual ~ a team or more than one team with the expertise to enter and exit holiday premises unobserved and without impediment apparently.
Burglars are criminals.
Whoever had a hand in taking Madeleine was a criminal.
Why have the PJ apparently covered up this guy's activities on a very significant date? Which investigation discovered his existence ... Amaral's or Rebelo's?
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I'd be surprised if it exists. According to book-keeper Maria Goncalves, statement date 7 May 2007, part of her job was preparing reports of thefts for insurance purposes. The last one she had done was for 5L on 16 Apr 2007. No mention of a 3 May 2007 incident.
If Carlos Anjos can appear on prime time television and emphatically make such an elementary error ... is there any reason to take whatever else he has to say with anything other than a pinch of salt?
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If Carlos Anjos can appear on prime time television and emphatically make such an elementary error ... is there any reason to take whatever else he has to say with anything other than a pinch of salt?
Sorry, I should have added that on a scale of 0 to 10, where 0 is knows absolutely nothing about the case while 10 is case-expert level, I would give the show about a 1 out of 10. I don't know what the track record of the show or the presenter is, and based on this example, I don't intend wasting my life finding out.
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According to the article posted earlier. Seems the Portuguese are still very much interested in the tapas group.
??? Which Portuguese? Which article?
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If the Portuguese investigation is "very much interested in the Tapas group" then what have they been doing for the last 4 years?
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If they knew about it at the time I find it incredible they didn't link it to the other burglaries rife in the resort. In particular in relation to the two known home invasions which had taken place in block 5 in the days prior to the McCann's arrival in Luz.
There was either an individual ~ a team or more than one team with the expertise to enter and exit holiday premises unobserved and without impediment apparently.
Burglars are criminals.
Whoever had a hand in taking Madeleine was a criminal.
Why have the PJ apparently covered up this guy's activities on a very significant date? Which investigation discovered his existence ... Amaral's or Rebelo's?
You have told me and other posters, not to type opinion as fact.
You do not know if anyone took Madeleine, let alone if she was taken from the apartment, who took her.
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It is rather interesting that SY are seeking the person who they have already questioned. Sounds like they have been sardine munching having long naps and enjoying the golf. heehee next new headline I am sure. Does anyone think it is incompetent of SY to spend millions only to go back to speak to someone they already spoke to? hmm AND it is costing an extra 85 thousand to do so?
By all accounts SY should be accused by the parents of not doing anything since SY have so far come up with ZILTCH.
so anyways... back to blaming Amaral for everything.
...and perhaps the parents and the tapas and loyal fanatics, should be careful what they wish for, This very good at hiding perosn of interest may be a witness for the 'other' side. hmmm
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Just for the record, and for those who have forgotten a very large sum of money was offered as a reward...NO ONE came forward, now thinking if petty thieves are seeking a fast buck that amount would have given a life change for them.
Well NO ONE came forward.
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Just for the record, and for those who have forgotten a very large sum of money was offered as a reward...NO ONE came forward, now thinking if petty thieves are seeking a fast buck that amount would have given a life change for them.
Well NO ONE came forward.
Not logical. No perpetrator was going to come forward and go to prison. And no chance of benefiting from a crime by collecting the reward.
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Not logical. No perpetrator was going to come forward and go to prison. And no chance of benefiting from a crime by collecting the reward.
Absolutely very logical. A reward is on offer, someone with information could make a fast buck, many bucks, and the perpetrator get arrested etc... that is how it goes . The person who SY want to speak to could have taken his bucks and talked, will he talk without a cash offer.. hmmm I'm thinking Not.
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Absolutely very logical. A reward is on offer, someone with information could make a fast buck, many bucks, and the perpetrator get arrested etc... that is how it goes . The person who SY want to speak to could have taken his bucks and talked, will he talk without a cash offer.. hmmm I'm thinking Not.
What makes you think someone else knows?
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Pilfering by some less than honest staff goes on at every resort, it is a sad fact of life. I am curious though to find out what this reported burglar took at noon if anything and mores to the point was it anywhere near block 5. I would also like to know when OC management and the police found out about it.
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What makes you think someone else knows?
I don't think anyone else knows. I didn't say that. I was suggesting that if SY have a person of interest who may give them information, then why did they not come forward when money was on offer..
just saying.
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Pilfering by some less than honest staff goes on at every resort, it is a sad fact of life. I am curious though to find out what this reported burglar took at noon if anything and mores to the point was it anywhere near block 5. I would also like to know when OC management and the police found out about it.
If it's like alot of other guff we are fed it was probably 30 klicks away.
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Pilfering by some less than honest staff goes on at every resort, it is a sad fact of life. I am curious though to find out what this reported burglar took at noon if anything and mores to the point was it anywhere near block 5. I would also like to know when OC management and the police found out about it.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P-J-HAVE-DOUBTS.htm
"Numerous pages of the case file attest to this. Up to now, May 8th 2007, every lead, or opening of a lead, has been checked and it was, each time, a false lead. Like, for example, a suspicious car noticed near the Ocean Club recpetion by various witnesses. In the end, it was the service vehicle of a Club employee who had come to make an urgent repair to a door lock."
(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NLNO-CONCEIGAO.htm)
I have no idea where the original source of the information contained in the PJ files originates from.
Nuno Conceicao is not missing afaik (@ June 2016 was not in Portugal, though)
If his service vehicle was parked near the Tapas reception, then any broken door lock must have been in fairly close proximity to Block 5. Anjos referred to German tourists yet no details are in the files. It is strange that no-one else from OC refers to making a call to Nuno to attend the maintenance issue, given the time he arrived on the scene.
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http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P-J-HAVE-DOUBTS.htm
"Numerous pages of the case file attest to this. Up to now, May 8th 2007, every lead, or opening of a lead, has been checked and it was, each time, a false lead. Like, for example, a suspicious car noticed near the Ocean Club recpetion by various witnesses. In the end, it was the service vehicle of a Club employee who had come to make an urgent repair to a door lock."
(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NLNO-CONCEIGAO.htm)
I have no idea where the original source of the information contained in the PJ files originates from.
Nuno Conceicao is not missing afaik (@ June 2016 was not in Portugal, though)
If his service vehicle was parked near the Tapas reception, then any broken door lock must have been in fairly close proximity to Block 5. Anjos referred to German tourists yet no details are in the files. It is strange that no-one else from OC refers to making a call to Nuno to attend the maintenance issue, given the time he arrived on the scene.
The door lock was near the Millenium and the car wasn't seen near the Tapas as far as I know.
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I don't think anyone else knows. I didn't say that. I was suggesting that if SY have a person of interest who may give them information, then why did they not come forward when money was on offer..
just saying.
Either he done it, or he doesn't know anything about it. This much should be obvious.
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The door lock was near the Millenium and the car wasn't seen near the Tapas as far as I know.
Yes, HC confirmed the door lock was in an apartment at the north of the resort. It does not explain why the Maintenance department apparently didn't mention this call-out to the PJ.
Why would an Ocean Club Service vehicle parked near reception have aroused the suspicion of several unrecorded witnesses?
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Yes, HC confirmed the door lock was in an apartment at the north of the resort. It does not explain why the Maintenance department apparently didn't mention this call-out to the PJ.
Why would an Ocean Club Service vehicle parked near reception have aroused the suspicion of several unrecorded witnesses?
Well, sightings throughout the world seem to have aroused suspicion...
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Yes, HC confirmed the door lock was in an apartment at the north of the resort. It does not explain why the Maintenance department apparently didn't mention this call-out to the PJ.
Why would an Ocean Club Service vehicle parked near reception have aroused the suspicion of several unrecorded witnesses?
I'm intrigued, Misty.
Why did he arrive in one vehicle to the call out ~ complete the task ~ collect a service vehicle ~ both vehicles then returning to the residence where he was when the original callout was received?
The service vehicle having been parked near the tapas.
Were I an investigator I would have had a lot of questions for this guy.
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Well, sightings throughout the world seem to have aroused suspicion...
The important sightings are those that did not occur in Luz on the third of May. We now know of an individual who was there because of his job but who none saw ... that is one there may well be others.
At the least it is an interesting development as far as we are concerned and who knows for how long Scotland Yard have been working on it.
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The important sightings are those that did not occur in Luz on the third of May. We now know of an individual who was there because of his job but who none saw ... that is one there may well be others.
At the least it is an interesting development as far as we are concerned and who knows for how long Scotland Yard have been working on it.
Well you can dream on about finding an abductor.
Reality is something else.
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Well, sightings throughout the world seem to have aroused suspicion...
As with Ben Needham:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-happened-ben-needham-theories-8847749
There have been sightings of the family with a boy who some people think was Ben. The detective said: “That’s the version of events we need to look at.”
Police have also received reports that there has been sightings of Ben around the world from Germany to Australia.
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Well you can dream on about finding an abductor.
Reality is something else.
It seems that Scotland Yard while they may not themselves be dreaming are working towards realising a criminal's nightmare of discovery. I wish them every success with that
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Either he done it, or he doesn't know anything about it. This much should be obvious.
Didn't the report say that he was not involved in the abduction but could have information useful to the police? A prime candidate for claiming the reward I would have thought.
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Yes, HC confirmed the door lock was in an apartment at the north of the resort. It does not explain why the Maintenance department apparently didn't mention this call-out to the PJ.
Why would an Ocean Club Service vehicle parked near reception have aroused the suspicion of several unrecorded witnesses?
How do you know the Maintenance dept didn't mention it? The guy and his girlfriend openly did when interviewed. We don't know if a service vehicle was reportedly seen at reception because your first link is not part of the official files, it comes from here;
http://web.archive.org/web/20081219220642/http:/www.kidnapping.be/maddie/maddie.html
Translated by Anna Andress.
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Didn't the report say that he was not involved in the abduction but could have information useful to the police? A prime candidate for claiming the reward I would have thought.
Sometimes individuals may be in possession of information which they may have no idea may be of value to an inquiry.
That is why information is collated for checking against other relevant information.
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Pilfering by some less than honest staff goes on at every resort, it is a sad fact of life. I am curious though to find out what this reported burglar took at noon if anything and mores to the point was it anywhere near block 5. I would also like to know when OC management and the police found out about it.
Good point Angelo for John Hill was asked if there were any prior events that could have a bearing on the case. OK a bit of a tough question for it relied on an opinion. "He has been employed by the Ocean Club since March 2006 and has no knowledge of any untoward situation involving Ocean Club users or in the village itself, other than some damage and minor thefts."
John Hill gives no details as to when the thefts had occurred and burglary and theft are different crimes.
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I suppose it's possible that the PJ have good leads. For all we know there are outstanding ILOR's to be actioned by OG and that's the reason why their operation remains open. The 'one line of inquiry' may be Portuguese-led.
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Why do the PJ never come in for any criticism from "sceptics" for their role in the reinvestigation?
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Why do the PJ never come in for any criticism from "sceptics" for their role in the reinvestigation?
Do you then believe the supporters need help with the criticism ?
My perception is that supporters of multudinous makes and shapes have, for nearly ten years been doing quite well on their own without any help. In the words of the late Robert Mitchum "make some more up if you like".
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Why do the PJ never come in for any criticism from "sceptics" for their role in the reinvestigation?
What is their role?
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What is their role?
To lead the PT re-investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. We hear alot about the Met's alleged failure to find a single shred of evidence, their alleged embarrassing and pathetic Crimewatch appeal, the ruinous waste of money, the years and years of investigating with nothing to show for it etc etc etc - well with the exception of a Crimewatch appeal, all the same criticisms could surely be leveled at the PJ, but I'm not hearing it from McCann sceptics - why not?
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To lead the PT re-investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. We hear alot about the Met's alleged failure to find a single shred of evidence, their alleged embarrassing and pathetic Crimewatch appeal, the ruinous waste of money, the years and years of investigating with nothing to show for it etc etc etc - well with the exception of a Crimewatch appeal, all the same criticisms could surely be leveled at the PJ, but I'm not hearing it from McCann sceptics - why not?
The PJ have been waiting patiently for SY yard to catch up,its taken nigh on 6 yrs multi millions to recognize that an important witness was first interviewed back in 2007 and possibly needs to be heard again(according to some reports).
No wonder the radio interviewer asked Hogan Howe back in April 2016 just what do 30+ officers do.
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The PJ have been waiting patiently for SY yard to catch up,its taken nigh on 6 yrs multi millions to recognize that an important witness was first interviewed back in 2007 and possibly needs to be heard again(according to some reports).
No wonder the radio interviewer asked Hogan Howe back in April 2016 just what do 30+ officers do.
30 + officers were needed to go through the thousands and thousands of pages of evidence
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Wasn't that all done during the review process period ?
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30 + officers were needed to go through the thousands and thousands of pages of evidence
Indeed and it took them nigh on 6 years to allegedly realise that there might just might be some one to talk to who may have been around on the night Madeleine was reported missing,this quite possibly when the manning was reduced to two or three.
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Indeed and it took them nigh on 6 years to allegedly realise that there might just might be some one to talk to who may have been around on the night Madeleine was reported missing,this quite possibly when the manning was reduced to two or three.
all this criticism of the Met from posters who havent a clue whats really going on is quite risible.
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all this criticism of the Met from posters who havent a clue whats really going on is quite risible.
The same could be said for the support.
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The same could be said for the support.
i do support the met...they are the best we ahve and one of the best police forces in the world....sceptics support the pj........of which none it seems understood the dog alerts or the forensic evidence in this case
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30 + officers were needed to go through the thousands and thousands of pages of evidence
Did GA keep up with the case? How can one man controlling what was going on, read all the documents in 6 months, and yet it has taken a team of 30 several years to do?
He would have been working off summaries surely - GA "Did that witness have anything to add?" PJ officer: "No". GA "OK I won't read that statement."
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i do support the met...they are the best we ahve and one of the best police forces in the world....sceptics support the pj........of which none it seems understood the dog alerts or the forensic evidence in this case
PJ Inspector Dias.
He certainly understood them.
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i do support the met...they are the best we ahve and one of the best police forces in the world....sceptics support the pj........of which none it seems understood the dog alerts or the forensic evidence in this case
Institutionally racist has been one criticism leveled at the met in the past,there are many more,one of the best?
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The PJ have been waiting patiently for SY yard to catch up,its taken nigh on 6 yrs multi millions to recognize that an important witness was first interviewed back in 2007 and possibly needs to be heard again(according to some reports).
No wonder the radio interviewer asked Hogan Howe back in April 2016 just what do 30+ officers do.
Is "waiting patiently" a good way to conduct a reinvestigation into a missing child?
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Is "waiting patiently" a good way to conduct a reinvestigation into a missing child?
Any evidence SY are in a hurry,its taken them 6 yrs to get right back to the beginning it seems.
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Any evidence SY are in a hurry,its taken them 6 yrs to get right back to the beginning it seems.
do you understand why its taken 6 years...probably not
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do you understand why its taken 6 years...probably not
OK so take it we don't understand.
It's now your moment to shine by informing the forum at large just what it is barrier does not understand and what the full SP really is.
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OK so take it we don't understand.
It's now your moment to shine by informing the forum at large just what it is barrier does not understand and what the full SP really is.
not yet it isnt...because when I tell you why its taken 6 years you will say you knew all along...so its YOUR turn to shine....
do you have any explanation as to why its taken 6 years ....whats your explanation
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not yet it isnt...because when I tell you why its taken 6 years you will say you knew all along...so its YOUR turn to shine....
do you have any explanation as to why its taken 6 years ....whats your explanation
That's a bit of a long winded convoluted way of saying "I do not know".
You clearly went to the Neil Kinnock School rather than The Sir Jack Brabham School of expression.
The explanation is bloody obvious though and boils down to a mathematical solution.
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That's a bit of a long winded convoluted way of saying "I do not know".
You clearly went to the Neil Kinnock School rather than The Sir Jack Brabham School of expression.
The explanation is bloody obvious though and boils down to a mathematical solution.
not at all ....is this better and less convoluted....the answers bleedin obvious
Im surprised the sceptics are so blind they cannot see
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Sorry say what when? The article is way out of date May 2013!
nice try!
SO for the unsuspecting casual browser- SY did not say any such thing last night.
SY said nothing,,,it was some portuguese leaking information....par for the course
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Sometimes individuals may be in possession of information which they may have no idea may be of value to an inquiry.
That is why information is collated for checking against other relevant information.
Indeed but the point I was making was that the man being sought is not involved in the abduction therefore would not be excluded from claiming any reward. It makes you wonder why he hasn't, doesn't it?
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do you understand why its taken 6 years...probably not
The comprehension of why its taken six years does not lie at this keyboard,if the latest is to be believed regarding an employee or ex employee SY may have just stumbled upon the starting line.
Words attributed to DCS Duthie April 2016"The police chief admitted detectives did not have a “full understanding” of what happened to Madeleine .”
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The comprehension of why its taken six years does not lie at this keyboard,if the latest is to be believed regarding an employee or ex employee SY may have just stumbled upon the starting line.
Words attributed to DCS Duthie April 2016"The police chief admitted detectives did not have a “full understanding” of what happened to Madeleine .”
So you don't understand why it's taken six years
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So you don't understand why it's taken six years
I fully understand,but I'm not into wearing blinkers.
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I fully understand,but I'm not into wearing blinkers.
Then tell me why you think it's taken 6 years
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First the investigation was reopened in 2013
That's not quite 3 and a half years
So where is your 6 yrs coming from
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Indeed but the point I was making was that the man being sought is not involved in the abduction therefore would not be excluded from claiming any reward. It makes you wonder why he hasn't, doesn't it?
You obviously didn't read Brietta's post properly or understand her point:
"Sometimes individuals may be in possession of information which they may have no idea may be of value to an inquiry"
If they don't think they have anything of value to bring to the investigation then that would explain why they haven't come forward to claim any reward.
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So is this person alive ?
Is he/she in Portugal ?
Is SY simply clutching at straws and trying to find a justifiable reason for shelving a case they know full well won't be solved by looking for an abductor ?
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So is this person alive ?
Is he/she in Portugal ?
Is SY simply clutching at straws and trying to find a justifiable reason for shelving a case they know full well won't be solved by looking for an abductor ?
Shelving or not shelving?
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You obviously didn't read Brietta's post properly or understand her point:
"Sometimes individuals may be in possession of information which they may have no idea may be of value to an inquiry"
If they don't think they have anything of value to bring to the investigation then that would explain why they haven't come forward to claim any reward.
The OP
'Police are searching for a resort worker who they claim 'kept secrets' from them during the initial investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
An insider has revealed officers are searching for a Portuguese man who was nearby when the three-year-old went missing while on holiday in the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007.
A Portuguese police source told the Daily Mirror: ‘This Portuguese man used to work at the club resort, he speaks a bit of English.'
'Kept secrets'. That certainly sounds as if he knew the value of the information sought.
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The OP
'Police are searching for a resort worker who they claim 'kept secrets' from them during the initial investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
An insider has revealed officers are searching for a Portuguese man who was nearby when the three-year-old went missing while on holiday in the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007.
A Portuguese police source told the Daily Mirror: ‘This Portuguese man used to work at the club resort, he speaks a bit of English.'
'Kept secrets'. That certainly sounds as if he knew the value of the information sought.
Where does it say that he's not the abductor?
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Where does it say that he's not the abductor?
An 'abductor' is one of the theories.
Not a fact.
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Until The Police speak to him again they won't know if he's the abductor or not. And perhaps not even then.
Besides, you know the press releases that you all so despise. "This Person is not a Suspect." Tick Tock.
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Until The Police speak to him again they won't know if he's the abductor or not. And perhaps not even then.
Besides, you know the press releases that you all so despise. "This Person is not a Suspect." Tick Tock.
It is merely straw clutching.
Tick-tock, until the case is shelved again.
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It is merely straw clutching.
Tick-tock, until the case is shelved again.
And a new archiving report written.
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It is merely straw clutching.
Tick-tock, until the case is shelved again.
I think you'll find the tide has turned, Stephen. The Police are after an abductor or two.
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I think you'll find the tide has turned, Stephen. The Police are after an abductor or two.
I don't think the tide has turned one iota.
The case will be shelved.
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And a new archiving report written.
Not really.
Case shelved, and no matter any bluster to the contrary, case not solved.
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First the investigation was reopened in 2013
That's not quite 3 and a half years
So where is your 6 yrs coming from
First Operation grange was set up in 2011,it started out as a review but the wording clearly states,
Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach.
so where does your 2013 come from?
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First Operation grange was set up in 2011,it started out as a review but the wording clearly states,
so where does your 2013 come from?
wake up
the case was reopened by the portuguese in 2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24655826
then if SY want to ask any questions of suspects they have to make an ILOR which seems to take about 6 months to process.....any further questions another ILOR...another 6 months
thats why its taken so long
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The OP
'Police are searching for a resort worker who they claim 'kept secrets' from them during the initial investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
An insider has revealed officers are searching for a Portuguese man who was nearby when the three-year-old went missing while on holiday in the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007.
A Portuguese police source told the Daily Mirror: ‘This Portuguese man used to work at the club resort, he speaks a bit of English.'
'Kept secrets'. That certainly sounds as if he knew the value of the information sought.
Not necessarily, it may have been information that had he divulged it would have seen him banged up for other crime(s).
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wake up
the case was reopened by the portuguese in 2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24655826
then if SY want to ask any questions of suspects they have to make an ILOR which seems to take about 6 months to process.....any further questions another ILOR...another 6 months
thats why its taken so long
From your link.
Madeleine McCann case: Portuguese police reopen inquiry
Also,
Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley and Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood met senior Portuguese police in Lisbon last Thursday for a briefing on the new lines of enquiry, which are "separate" to those being followed by the Met
So once again where does 2013 come from for OG.
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From your link.
Also,
So once again where does 2013 come from for OG.
SY could not start any investigation until the case was reopened by the portuguese...which was in 2013
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That's about the long and short of it I guess. Tell me, how do you think you are going to advance the case?
The point at issue was a simple matter of manhours bodies and CPA.
There is nothing earth shattering or complex about that.
I don't know all the answers but I'm thinking you are going to be part of it, you are going to help me advance the case because of your connections somehow.
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I don't know all the answers but I'm thinking you are going to be part of it, you are going to help me advance the case because of your connections somehow.
I can do you a natty line in RJT to ASME B16.5.
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SY could not start any investigation until the case was reopened by the portuguese...which was in 2013
So they sat around twiddling their thumbs for over 2 years?
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So they sat around twiddling their thumbs for over 2 years?
Well, could they conduct any investigations in the country where Madeleine went missing until then?
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Well, could they conduct any investigations in the country where Madeleine went missing until then?
They were supposedly examining the files?
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They were supposedly examining the files?
They did that as part of the review.
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They did that as part of the review.
Supposedly they have only just come up with this unamed person who could hold some info,somebody missed it?
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SY could not start any investigation until the case was reopened by the portuguese...which was in 2013
You mean they couldn't do any landscaping,why the need to shout isn't capitals regarded as such.
Sot you think the world wide sightings were investigated until they had the go ahead from the PJ which I suppose confirms what Hogan Howe said its essentially a PJ investigation,so OG can't investigate jack all with out the PJ's say so,that must gall.
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Supposedly they have only just come up with this unamed person who could hold some info,somebody missed it?
It does rather make one wonder how they tackled the job does it not?
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Supposedly they have only just come up with this unamed person who could hold some info,somebody missed it?
It does rather make one wonder how they tackled the job does it not?
Redwood in 2013,
Primarily what we sought to do from the beginning is to try and draw everything back to – to zero, if you like, try and sort of take everything back to the beginning – and then re-analyse and re-assess everything – accepting nothing.
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Comments related to the thread topic only please. TY
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You mean they couldn't do any landscaping,why the need to shout isn't capitals regarded as such.
Sot you think the world wide sightings were investigated until they had the go ahead from the PJ which I suppose confirms what Hogan Howe said its essentially a PJ investigation,so OG can't investigate jack all with out the PJ's say so,that must gall.
If it's essentially a PJ investigation then any failures are essentially the fault of the PJ. Feel free to heap scorn on them anytime.
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If it's essentially a PJ investigation then any failures are essentially the fault of the PJ. Feel free to heap scorn on them anytime.
Hogan Howe 2016"This is the decision of the government they wanted to fund the MET"
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Hogan Howe 2016"This is the decision of the government they wanted to fund the MET"
This is essentially a PJ investigation though, didn't you just say that? So if the investigation fails (again), the buck stops with the PJ.
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This is essentially a PJ investigation though, didn't you just say that? So if the investigation fails (again), the buck stops with the PJ.
The English will blame the Portuguese and the Portuguese will blame the English.
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The English will blame the Portuguese and the Portuguese will blame the English.
So who is going to take the credit should Madeleine McCann's case be resolved?
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So who is going to take the credit should Madeleine McCann's case be resolved?
Be resolved ? 8**8:/:
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This is essentially a PJ investigation though, didn't you just say that? So if the investigation fails (again), the buck stops with the PJ.
The case belongs to the Portuguese. They have jurisdiction and primacy. Operation Grange have pushed in and taken it upon themselves to investigate. They weren't asked to help and the Portuguese are not overseeing what they do. If Operation Grange fails it's nothing to do with the PJ.
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This is essentially a PJ investigation though, didn't you just say that? So if the investigation fails (again), the buck stops with the PJ.
Perhaps rather conveniently for some.
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The case belongs to the Portuguese. They have jurisdiction and primacy. Operation Grange have pushed in and taken it upon themselves to investigate. They weren't asked to help and the Portuguese are not overseeing what they do. If Operation Grange fails it's nothing to do with the PJ.
Of course not. The PJ are utterly blameless in all and every respect. So what is their role in this investigation again? Just sitting back and watching and being extremely slow at granting the Met's requests?
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So who is going to take the credit should Madeleine McCann's case be resolved?
You and I?
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Redwood in 2013,
So DCI Redwood said the Met went back to the beginning but the Supporters Club say The Met didn't go back to the beginning.
Which do you believe to be correct? 8(0(*
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So DCI Redwood said the Met went back to the beginning but the Supporters Club say The Met didn't go back to the beginning.
Which do you believe to be correct? 8(0(*
Is that the McCann Supporters Club or the Amaral Supporters Club?
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So DCI Redwood said the Met went back to the beginning but the Supporters Club say The Met didn't go back to the beginning.
Which do you believe to be correct? 8(0(*
what makes you think you can speak for supporters
afaiac Redwood went back to the beginning and looked at all the evidence and all the possibilities...and ruled the parents out
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what makes you think you can speak for supporters
afaiac Redwood went back to the beginning and looked at all the evidence and all the possibilities...and ruled the parents out
Why shouldn't he,the remit is to investigate as if an abduction took place in the uk,(hard job seeing as if it was supposed to have happened in Portugal) nonetheless have the parents ever been accused of abduction?
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Why shouldn't he,the remit is to investigate as if an abduction took place in the uk,(hard job seeing as if it was supposed to have happened in Portugal) nonetheless have the parents ever been accused of abduction?
Would that include removing her dead body and hiding it. Is that abduction too? If it is a form of abduction then "Yes".
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what makes you think you can speak for supporters
afaiac Redwood went back to the beginning and looked at all the evidence and all the possibilities...and ruled the parents out
Well that's three takes on it so far then.
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Is that the McCann Supporters Club or the Amaral Supporters Club?
I think you will find it is "Amaral Campers" but like "public opinion" does not exist as a cohesive entity.
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I think you will find it is "Amaral Campers" but like "public opinion" does not exist as a cohesive entity.
8((()*/ 8(>((
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I think you will find it is "Amaral Campers" but like "public opinion" does not exist as a cohesive entity.
what are amaral campers...a rather stupid phrase
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Of course not. The PJ are utterly blameless in all and every respect. So what is their role in this investigation again? Just sitting back and watching and being extremely slow at granting the Met's requests?
Are you suggesting they are guilty of Madeliens disappearance? Their role; based on THE original archived investigation, to which you have already been told have primacy, is not being discussed by them. Bohahah.
The Met have no authority in Portugal, absolutely none.
To accuse the PJ of 'sitting doing nothing' is the same cr@p still emanating from the mouths of 'friends and Family' and sauces'. It is the parents who sat and did nothing while their daughter was claimed to have been 'kidnapped' it was the parents who sat and did nothing when others were searching for their daughter.
Now then to recap: who is responsible for the well being of their children... And who placed their child in danger in the first place?
Yahhh you just won a coconut!
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Are you suggesting they are guilty of Madeliens disappearance? Their role; based on THE original archived investigation, to which you have already been told have primacy, is not being discussed by them. Bohahah.
The Met have no authority in Portugal, absolutely none.
To accuse the PJ of 'sitting doing nothing' is the same cr@p still emanating from the mouths of 'friends and Family' and sauces'. It is the parents who sat and did nothing while their daughter was claimed to have been 'kidnapped' it was the parents who sat and did nothing when others were searching for their daughter.
Now then to recap: who is responsible for the well being of their children... And who placed their child in danger in the first place?
Yahhh you just won a coconut!
You introduced the phrase "frothing at the mouth" on a different thread - I think the post above is a good example of such a complaint. Get well soon!
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The thread makes the reference ... " Maddie detectives seeking resort worker."
Why on earth would they wish to do that?
In my opinion it suggests
- he may have been in or around places of interest at the time of Madeleine's disappearance
- he may have been in contact with people already questioned who may also have been in a location of interest when Madeleine disappeared
- he may or may not know something or someone relevant to Madeleine's case and thus be in possession of important information whether he knows it or not
- the redundancy of the faux ideology that a reconstruction involving only Madeleine's parents, their friends and the totally blameless guy who just happened to stop to chat with Gerry is the only way to solve Madeleine's case
Only in the last few days have we been made privy from Portuguese sources active in the original investigation, to information regarding yet another burglary in the resort at noon, only a few hours before Madeleine was to disappear.
If that information was available to the investigation back in 2007 when taken in conjunction with the known at the time home invasions involving the abuse of little girls ... huge questions arise concerning more than competency.
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8((()*/ 8(>((
I think you will find that posts consisting solely of emoticons are frowned upon by Slarti so please don't do it.
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what are amaral campers...a rather stupid phrase
One of your cohorts once referred to me and jassi as "Amaral Campers".
J & I thought it was pretty bleedin' stupid too.
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You introduced the phrase "frothing at the mouth" on a different thread - I think the post above is a good example of such a complaint. Get well soon!
Thank you I am very well. 8(>(( *passies the hankies to those who are so offended on behalf of others*
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One of your cohorts once referred to me and jassi as "Amaral Campers".
J & I thought it was pretty bleedin' stupid too.
in that context I think it fits very well
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Thank you I am very well. 8(>(( *passies the hankies to those who are so offended on behalf of others*
with respect I think there is only one poster frothing at the mouth and we all know who that is dear
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/780952/family-man-interviewed-over-Madeleine-McCann-call-police-close-case
“Like everyone in Luz he wants the mystery to be solved.
“This investigation by Scotland Yard has gone on too long. If they can’t get anywhere, they should speak to the Portuguese authorities and let them formally close it down.
“The file would be shelved again and only opened if there is a significant development. That is more fair than having a cloud of suspicion hanging over the Algarve.”
The Home Office has given the Yard’s Operation Grange team £85,000 more, to fund the four-strong team, headed by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall, who are looking into the case.
So far officers have ruled out producing an “age progression” picture of what Madeline would look like at 13 and are reluctant to hold a press conference.
But a high-ranking officer may give television and radio interviews.
Madeleine’s parents Kate, 49, and Gerry McCann, 48, a heart expert, are considering giving one television interview, possibly to Piers Morgan or ITV News presenter Mary Nightingale.
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Of course not. The PJ are utterly blameless in all and every respect. So what is their role in this investigation again? Just sitting back and watching and being extremely slow at granting the Met's requests?
Probably. There may be a bit of tittering occasionally, but that's pure speculation on my part.
To be serious, there are, I believe, two teams. One is investigating, the other assists OG.
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Probably. There may be a bit of tittering occasionally, but that's pure speculation on my part.
To be serious, there are, I believe, two teams. One is investigating, the other assists OG.
So pretty much FA then.
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So pretty much FA then.
Dot the I's and cross the T's. They can't be trusted for much else.