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Online Eleanor

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #135 on: October 12, 2018, 05:50:01 PM »
Is that a new rule? If I've provided a cite previously I can tell people to go and find it themselves? I can't find it in the Forum Rules.

I said, "Every time someone new joins."

There has to be some sort of limit to the number of times someone can be asked for the same Cite.
Let's have a bit of common sense here, please.

Offline Brietta

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #136 on: October 12, 2018, 05:55:29 PM »
Can  you show me where it says that ashes contain cadaverine. I don't believe that they do. Why would Tamsin Silence's grandmother keep her dead husbands pyjamas?

I believe it is on record that Eddie alerted to scattered cremation ashes.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #137 on: October 12, 2018, 05:58:18 PM »
I see the desperation to try and prove that Eddie alerted to a dead porker is still strong on here.

I believe that Eddie alerted to cadaver and nothing else. I believe that Martin Grime thought the same too.

Please provide a cite for Martin Grime saying "Eddie alerted to cadaver and nothing else".  Thank you
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Offline xtina

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #138 on: October 12, 2018, 06:24:03 PM »
At least one pig farmer was questioned by Scotland Yard.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2784.msg206337#msg206337


yes farmer............not your average back garden in Portugal .

.with the house holderr...keeping and.  killing a pig....
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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #139 on: October 12, 2018, 06:46:33 PM »
I believe it is on record that Eddie alerted to scattered cremation ashes.

Really?
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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #140 on: October 12, 2018, 06:54:49 PM »
Ask Rob.  He is the one with slaughter house experience IIRC.  Remember he trained as a vet.
Yes that is right.  I was going to answer that about the species.  Each species has its own odour when you open it up during surgery.  I reckon I could tell what species I was working on even if you blindfolded me.  Whether the cadaver dog is picking up a combination smell of death plus plus smell of human blood.   
I imagine it would be similar to those who have a career in wine tasting, beer brewing, coffee blending, cheese making ... etc. they would devote parts of their memory to subtle changes before making decisions.
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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #141 on: October 12, 2018, 06:58:43 PM »
I see the desperation to try and prove that Eddie alerted to a dead porker is still strong on here.

I believe that Eddie alerted to cadaver and nothing else. I believe that Martin Grime thought the same too.
You have got to put the word human cadaver in there too.
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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #142 on: October 12, 2018, 07:03:43 PM »
I live in Rural Brittany.  But we do have a large number of houses rented out to holiday makers.

I don't understand why this should be different.

The Pig intestines are removed in the garden and then cleaned out and used for making sausages on the kitchen table.  And very good they are too.

The point is that cadaverine from the Pig's intestines could easily be transferred to elsewhere.
I think we are getting confused with the smell of meat compared to the smell of a dead animal.  Grime said his dogs were trained not to react to meat smells.  Carcass compared to cadaver.  OK the skill in butchery is not to have your carcasses smelling like cadaver.  We humans still have some sense of smell.
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« Reply #143 on: October 12, 2018, 07:06:17 PM »
I think we are getting confused with the smell of meat compared to the smell of a dead animal.  Grime said his dogs were trained not to react to meat smells.  Carcass compared to cadaver.  OK the skill in butchery is not to have your carcasses smelling like cadaver.  We humans still have some sense of smell.

I'm talking about handling Intestines, Rob.  That's were cadaver scent develops.

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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #144 on: October 12, 2018, 07:14:13 PM »
I'm talking about handling Intestines, Rob.  That's were cadaver scent develops.
You might think so be the intestine would be largely affected by what the animal last ate. 
Cadaver dogs reacted to decomposed body parts.  So I'm tending to think the training must emphasise odours that are in body parts eg limbs as well as torso.
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Offline Snowgirl

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« Reply #145 on: October 12, 2018, 07:59:05 PM »
I am sorry if I have upset you and Snowgirl, and yes you are new, but the facts are that this subject has been done to death and it would take Davel over a week to go though it all.

That is patently too long
You havn't upset me at all Sadie .
I simply wanted Davel to tell me why he thought Redwood would say OG were now having to think Madeleine might not have left the apt. alive . Imo it was because they were considering the dogs were correct which davel  is vehemently denying .
Forget I asked him ?

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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #146 on: October 12, 2018, 08:07:18 PM »
You havn't upset me at all Sadie .
I simply wanted Davel to tell me why he thought Redwood would say OG were now having to think Madeleine might not have left the apt. alive . Imo it was because they were considering the dogs were correct which davel  is vehemently denying .
Forget I asked him ?

you should have looked back as sadie suggested....I answered earlier...post 116
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Offline Snowgirl

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #147 on: October 12, 2018, 08:19:12 PM »
you should have looked back as sadie suggested....I answered earlier...post 116
I read that ..so now you're admitting death was always a possibility ?
But the dogs were wrong to pick up on that possibility   .....  you're saying ?

Offline xtina

Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #148 on: October 12, 2018, 08:20:37 PM »
I live in Rural Brittany.  But we do have a large number of houses rented out to holiday makers.

I don't understand why this should be different.

The Pig intestines are removed in the garden and then cleaned out and used for making sausages on the kitchen table.  And very good they are too.

The point is that cadaverine from the Pig's intestines could easily be transferred to elsewhere.


I imagine it different ....as I have been quite a few resorts years ago

Albufeira is one of them there is a fish market....fish from boats on the beach....

Fish restaurants .taverners all have fish dishes   oh and Piri Piri chicken

the pork chops seem to be in the tourist caterers

There were many shacks between Alberfeira....and villamora...really poor people...

along the beach and land ....i have never seen one pig...


one i made earlier but forgot to send
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Re: Was the PJ right to decide that Madeleine had died so early on?
« Reply #149 on: October 12, 2018, 08:31:23 PM »
Please provide a cite for Martin Grime saying "Eddie alerted to cadaver and nothing else".  Thank you

A cite is not required Brietta. I said "I believe" and I do.
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