Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Robittybob1]

A cite fir the bianca Jones case... Read the post again... If the alerts were reliable they would need no corrobiration

Even if Eddie was 100% accurate at identifying cadaver odour, he still can't say "Madeleine", so in that situation you would still not be able to say for definite the cadaver odour came from her.  The PJ tried to show that it was Madeleine, by DNA testing and trying to show there were no other known deaths in 5A.
But IMO they failed for they also needed to show that every other family in the area hadn't lost a child in the  previous 3 hours as well. 

Kate was aware of the PJ failing, for people left the resort over the next few days without making statements.

IMO it would not be good enough for just someone saying they had two kids with them, but each child needed to matched against their passports and the arrivals list as the McCanns had to.

[Brietta]

I don't know what you mean by 'reliable', but I believe that Grime's evidence could have been used in court as part of a body of circumstantial evidence just as a dog handler's evidence was used in the Suzanne Pilley case.

There was a meticulously worked volume of evidence collected by the police to enable a prosecution to take place concerning Suzanne Pilley's murder.

What evidence do you think was there against Kate or Gerry McCann?

[pathfinder73]

So are you saying that Madeleine lay dead in 5a for up to three hours?

My theory is on the forum.

[Mr Gray]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8k2GkZ7llc

Have  alook at this video of grime in the Bianco Jones case...at about 2 mins...grime refers to the accused as the murdr......and then stops himself...its hard to believe he wasnt kicked out the courtroom

[G-Unit]

There was a meticulously worked volume of evidence collected by the police to enable a prosecution to take place concerning Suzanne Pilley's murder.

What evidence do you think was there against Kate or Gerry McCann?

Insufficient.

[Mr Gray]

Insufficient.

the archiving report...which had access to the evidence said none...Pedro Da Carmo said none...where do you think the SC found their  evidence

[G-Unit]

I didn't just accuse you of not understanding, I explained why. Grime quite correctly said the alerts aren't evidence. He's right. No-one has been charged on the strength of a cadaver dog alert. People have been charged on the strength of a cadaver dog alert plus other corroborating evidence. That evidence doesn't have to include forensic evidence.

[Mr Gray]

I didn't just accuse you of not understanding, I explained why. Grime quite correctly said the alerts aren't evidence. He's right. No-one has been charged on the strength of a cadaver dog alert. People have been charged on the strength of a cadaver dog alert plus other corroborating evidence. That evidence doesn't have to include forensic evidence.

you claimed this had happened in England ...I ask for a cite...you couldnt give one...As I remember the review into the gilroy case criticised the admissibility of the dogs evidence

[Mr Gray]

I didn't just accuse you of not understanding, I explained why. Grime quite correctly said the alerts aren't evidence. He's right. No-one has been charged on the strength of a cadaver dog alert. People have been charged on the strength of a cadaver dog alert plus other corroborating evidence. That evidence doesn't have to include forensic evidence.

you accused me of not understanding...the post is still there

[Robittybob1]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8k2GkZ7llc

Have  alook at this video of grime in the Bianco Jones case...at about 2 mins...grime refers to the accused as the murdr......and then stops himself...its hard to believe he wasnt kicked out the courtroom

I strongly object to that Davel.  I have listened to what Martin Grimes says, and he says "Merc" rather than
"Murd".  IMO he was about to describe the make and model but changed that to Mr D'Lane's car.

https://youtu.be/M8k2GkZ7llc?t=120

[Mr Gray]

I strongly object to that Davel.  I have listened to what Martin Grimes says, and he says "Merc" rather than
"Murd".  IMO he was about to describe the make and model but changed that to Mr D'Lane's car.

https://youtu.be/M8k2GkZ7llc?t=120

what car was D'Lane driving

[Sunny]

you accused me of not understanding...the post is still there

Here is G-Unit's post Davel.

I expect he said exactly the same about Morse's alerts in the Bianca Jones case, but his evidence helped to convict her killer. You don't seem to understand that Grime was referring to the alerts on their own. As part of a collection of other corroborating evidence they are very useful.

I agree with her completely and as G-Unit said she didn't just say you didn't understand, she explained why.

[Robittybob1]

what car was D'Lane driving

The police would know.  I don't know, and Grime wasn't that sure either IMO.

[Robittybob1]

I didn't just accuse you of not understanding, I explained why. Grime quite correctly said the alerts aren't evidence. He's right. No-one has been charged on the strength of a cadaver dog alert. People have been charged on the strength of a cadaver dog alert plus other corroborating evidence. That evidence doesn't have to include forensic evidence.

Thanks.

Davel do you accept the premise "that Grime was referring to the alerts on their own. As part of a collection of other corroborating evidence they are very useful."?

G-unit and I accept that.

[Mr Gray]

Thanks.

Davel do you accept the premise "that Grime was referring to the alerts on their own. As part of a collection of other corroborating evidence they are very useful."?

G-unit and I accept that.

I dont accept the alerts are evidence....Grime does not refer to them as evidence. The alerts are useful in pointing out where to look for evidence...gunit claimed the alerts had been used in an english  court...no cite supllied despite asking 3 times because it isnt true