Author Topic: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata  (Read 294910 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #780 on: November 15, 2018, 07:03:32 PM »
You have to accept that a dog's sense of smell is vastly superior to human sight and scientific tests. They can smell things that you can't see and scientists can't always test.

If they can't be tested for no one knows if they are there or not

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #781 on: November 15, 2018, 07:05:00 PM »
I have experienced terrible desperation and heartbreak. I didn't turn to any if those things.

That doesn't prove anything

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #782 on: November 15, 2018, 07:07:31 PM »
Please take note of my compliance. Unlike some, I don't ignore requests for cites.

We’re scientists and we don’t believe in hocus pocus or crackpot inventions

The dogs ultimately ‘alerted’. I felt myself starting to relax a little. This was not what I would call an exact science
[madeleine]
That is funny considering they asked Danie Krugel to turn up!

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/mccanns-danie-krugel-and-quantum.html
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #783 on: November 15, 2018, 07:13:42 PM »
You have to accept that a dog's sense of smell is vastly superior to human sight and scientific tests. They can smell things that you can't see and scientists can't always test.
I'm trying to figure out where the substances could be that the CSI dog keeps on smelling even after the knife has been washed 3 times.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #784 on: November 15, 2018, 07:25:41 PM »
You have to accept that a dog's sense of smell is vastly superior to human sight and scientific tests. They can smell things that you can't see and scientists can't always test.

Do we have a cite apart from grime that the dogs can detect what science cannot... How can that be confirmed.. It cant

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #785 on: November 15, 2018, 07:35:27 PM »
Do we have a cite apart from grime that the dogs can detect what science cannot... How can that be confirmed.. It cant
he said at that time.  Scientific methods could improve.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #786 on: November 15, 2018, 07:38:29 PM »
he said at that time.  Scientific methods could improve.

How can he be sure the dog has alerted to something if it can't be tested to be present.... It doesn't make any sense... That's why I've asked if anyone apart from grime has, ever said this

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #787 on: November 15, 2018, 07:46:04 PM »
How can he be sure the dog has alerted to something if it can't be tested to be present.... It doesn't make any sense... That's why I've asked if anyone apart from grime has, ever said this

They go through the process.
1. Get the knife and check it against a CSI dog. - no alert
 2. take same knife put blood on it, wash it 3 times and test whether the CSI dog alerts.

If it alerts after step 2. what did it alert too?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #788 on: November 15, 2018, 07:51:25 PM »
They go through the process.
1. Get the knife and check it against a CSI dog. - no alert
 2. take same knife put blood on it, wash it 3 times and test whether the CSI dog alerts.

If it alerts after step 2. what did it alert too?

It depends how well the knife was cleaned

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #789 on: November 15, 2018, 07:54:55 PM »
It depends how well the knife was cleaned
Does it? 
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Offline John

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #790 on: November 15, 2018, 08:52:37 PM »
How would that scenario explain the dog alerts to the hire car and the clothing?  It wouldn't so it makes no sense for him to think the alerts meant his daughter had died in the apartment and removed by persons unknown.

The only way Eddie could have found cadaver odour relating to Madeleine in the apartment, on clothing and in a hire car hired some time after the disappearance was if someone had been in contact with her cadaver and had been responsible for secondary transfer.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #791 on: November 15, 2018, 08:56:47 PM »
The only way Eddie could have found cadaver odour relating to Madeleine in the apartment, on clothing and in a hire car hired some time after the disappearance was if someone had been in contact with her cadaver and had been responsible for secondary transfer.

I would agree with that but if it was secondary transfer from someones clothes then surely it would have been all over the apartment not just a couple of places...it would also pretty much prove the mccanns guilty

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #792 on: November 15, 2018, 08:58:35 PM »
cadaver odour could also be a result of secondary transfer from a policeman...had any of the police in 5a been in touch with a cadaver

Offline John

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #793 on: November 15, 2018, 09:04:49 PM »
I would agree with that but if it was secondary transfer from someones clothes then surely it would have been all over the apartment not just a couple of places...it would also pretty much prove the mccanns guilty

Depends on so many factors but one thing is certain and that is that anyone in direct contact with a cadaver will thereafter spread cadaver odour as they go unless they were wearing appropriate anti contamination kit.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2018, 09:23:40 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #794 on: November 16, 2018, 07:47:22 AM »
cadaver odour could also be a result of secondary transfer from a policeman...had any of the police in 5a been in touch with a cadaver

And did that policeman rub up against Kate's clothes?
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