Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Vertigo Swirl]

Enlighten me on my thread and then I will prove you wrong.

Sure but first you will need to stop writing in riddles and write a clear and detailed precis of your theory so we all know precisely what you believe and why.

[Lace]

Why did they get new mobile phones on 4 May 2007? Why did they delete call records on their old mobiles that same day before police examined them? Why didn't they inform the police that they had deleted records?

The new mobiles prove they had other contacts in Portugal that should be investigated. Did any own property in Luz?

Weren't they given the mobile phones?

So now you are saying they knew people who had property in Luz.    Has anyone come forward to say that the McCann's knew people who had property?   The neighbours for instance.

Sorry but it is ludicrous to say that the McCann's hid Madeleine's body then transported it to someone they knew for them to hide it in their property.    IMO

[pathfinder73]

Nothing is ludicrous (isn't that a McCann favourite word) in an unsolved case until you've properly investigated it. Yes friends in the Algarve brought new mobiles to them on 4 May 2007. Read David Payne's rog.

[Robittybob1]

Nothing is ludicrous (isn't that a McCann favourite word) in an unsolved case until you've properly investigated it. Yes friends in the Algarve brought new mobiles to them on 4 May 2007. Read David Payne's rog.

It was a strange event.  Has anyone really understood why new phones were issued?

[The General]

It was a strange event.  Has anyone really understood why new phones were issued?

The innocent explanation will undoubtedly be that they were turning their own phones in to the police.

[ShiningInLuz]

It was a strange event.  Has anyone really understood why new phones were issued?

Nope.

[Mr Gray]

It was a strange event.  Has anyone really understood why new phones were issued?

I understand,,...particularly then.......using your own mobile abroad was extremely expensive...I always bought a local sim card when i landed somewhere but sim cards dont always fit every phone...if someone can give you a cheap local phone its much better

[Brietta]

It was a strange event.  Has anyone really understood why new phones were issued?

There has been a lot of discussion on the forum about this and there is absolutely no mystery about it apart from why it keeps on being resurrected.

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So mysterious were these phones that it seems they were delivered to the police station where David Payne was given permission to collect them and bring them in.

I still think the most perplexing thing about this rogatory statement is at the top of the page ... TRANSCRIPT BY NICKED AND WHATEVER:  what on earth is that about?

**snip
01:04:02 1485 "And where were these phones, when did these phones arrive''
 Reply "Err when did we get the phones' When we were at the Police Station, err you know as, you know I just asked whether I could just pop downstairs there was someone who's brought us phones and they said yeah, so I quickly popped downstairs, got the phones, and took them back into the Police Station. Err I can't remember if there was any power in them when we opened them up but err so then that was, you know, so the phones were just, you know because we hadn't got any other, anything there, so.'
1485 "And what phones were they' Do you remember what sort of, what make they were''
 Reply "Err they were Samsung phones, err and I think they were Vodaphone SIM cards. Err the actual model, I can't tell you the Samsung phone but they were, something like the Samsung three hundred, something like that.'
1485 "Yeah, how many phones were there''
 Reply "There was, there was two err and we ended up, err again, we ended up keeping one and Kate and Gerry had one, I think we gave the second one to Kate and Gerry as well after a while but we were err you know because they'd got credit put on to them so we were just using those phones rather than run up the expense of our own phones.'
1485 "Yeah.'
 01:05:33 Reply "So err yeah.'
1485 "So the two phones, you've kept one and gave one to Kate and Gerry''
 Reply "Kate and Gerry yeah.'
1485 "And do you have the numbers of those phones in your phone''
 Reply "I don't, no, no.'
1485 "Where are these phones now''
 Reply "Err as far as I am aware that they, you know, remained in Portugal, again''
1485 "With whom''
 Reply "With Kate and Gerry.'
1485 "So Kate and Gerry took possession of that second phone which you had''
 Reply "Well, they certainly kept the first one, the second one, the second one, sorry, no I think that's rubbish. I think I, I may well have got the, I might have got the second phone. Actually I've got a sneaky feeling when I got home I tried the UK SIM card in it and it didn't work so I could well have got the second phone.'
1485 "So is it likely that this second phone is at your home address''
 Reply "Err that is a strong possibility.'
1485 "So two Samsung phones.'
 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'
1485 "One is, to your knowledge, still with Kate and Gerry.'
 Reply "Yeah.'
 1485 "The other one you may well have at your home address.'
 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'
1485 "Did you use the phones often''
 Reply "Not''
1485 "In Portugal''
 Reply "Not a great deal no, no, it was, it was, first of all you know we didn't have any numbers in them already and then with being a Portuguese phone you know it was just a bit more difficult so we, if we ever used them, I mean which wasn't often, we'd perhaps call Kate and Gerry using the Portuguese phone, but it wasn't a kind of religious oh we'll just use the, that Portuguese phone to err you know establish communication.'
1485 "Yeah.'
 01:07:23 Reply "Err you know and the other reason that we, we had the, one of the phones is because Fiona didn't have a phone either so you know, so it's like she had the use of the other phone as well.'
1485 "Right, so out of the two of you then, who predominantly used that phone''
 Reply "I'd say Fiona.'
1485 "Fiona''
 Reply "Yeah.'
1485 "And has it been used since it's been in the UK''
 Reply "No.'
1485 "Okay, okay.'
 Reply "And I'm just trying to think you know how much, you know the, the, I can't remember you know obviously we were there for four weeks after but when the actual credit ran out, because I remember the credit running out and not being able to actually put anymore on even though it's supposed to be quite straight forward but again, you know whether that was after, you know, three weeks of being out there or whatever I can't remember.'
1485 "Yeah, how many times do you think you topped it up then''
 Reply "I don't, I don't think we did, I don't think I did. I don't think I could work out how to do it to be honest.'
1485 "So when both of them arrived both of them had credit on them''
 Reply "They put, I think they put, I think err I think they put forty pound credit or forty euros, you know, which seemed to last a lot longer than the amount of credit we were (inaudible) we were using our own err mobile phones.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg221282#msg221282

[The General]

I understand,,...particularly then.......using your own mobile abroad was extremely expensive...I always bought a local sim card when i landed somewhere but sim cards dont always fit every phone...if someone can give you a cheap local phone its much better

Yeh, that's a stretch Davel. Literally nobody does that. Not sane ones anyway.

[Mr Gray]

Yeh, that's a stretch Davel. Literally nobody does that. Not sane ones anyway.

in your opinion

then you dont travel much...these days when you arrive at an airport there are booths selling local sim cards.....many phones these days are locked...so its easier to buy acheap local...

[barrier]

The innocent explanation will undoubtedly be that they were turning their own phones in to the police.

Which just happened to have a lot of deleted stuff missing.

[The General]

in your opinion

then you dont travel much...these days when you arrive at an airport there are booths selling local sim cards.....many phones these days are locked...so its easier to buy acheap local...

I meant the phones, my good man, not the sims. They got new phones.
And I travel extensively; I have bought sim cards from Mombasa to Mogadishu and not all of those transactions went off as well as one would expect. Never at the airport though - too expensive.

[Mr Gray]

Yeh, that's a stretch Davel. Literally nobody does that. Not sane ones anyway.

looks like your opion isnt fact...but if your normal travel destination is Blackpool you wouldnt really know

If you’re looking to stay connected while travelling overseas, picking up a local SIM card is the way to go. Typically much cheaper than roaming with your cell company from back home or using an “international” SIM card, you’ll often spend under ten dollars for a month’s worth of calls, texts, and data.

toomanyadapters.com/buying-local-sim-cards/

[The General]

Which just happened to have a lot of deleted stuff missing.

Quite. Seems to be an awful lot of editing and deleting.

[Mr Gray]

I meant the phones, my good man, not the sims. They got new phones.
And I travel extensively; I have bought sim cards from Mombasa to Mogadishu and not all of those transactions went off as well as one would expect. Never at the airport though - too expensive.

If they put sims in their current mobiles they may well miss calls from home...have you never bought a local phone...sometimes my own phone simply wont accept the local sim