Author Topic: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata  (Read 294975 times)

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1230 on: July 18, 2019, 09:14:16 AM »
Try and look at it with an open mind
If the evidence had been put to a jury
A, cadaver dog with a 95% success rate alerted several times in the McCann, apartment
A man seen carrying a child identified with 60 to 80 % certainty to be Gerry
15 markers of maddies DNa alerted to by a, blood dog.

Kate refusing to answer questions

In a hostile Portuguese court what do you think the verdict would have been

"A, cadaver dog with a 95% success rate alerted several times in the McCann, apartment"   

Grime does not say that more alerts improve the reliability.

"A man seen carrying a child identified with 60 to 80 % certainty to be Gerry"

At a time the PJ stressed Gerry had a solid alibi.

"15 markers of maddies DNa alerted to by a, blood dog."  John Lowe's report states those markers could come from up to 5 different people.  Inconclusive result.

"Kate refusing to answer questions"
As was her right under the law governing aguidos,

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1231 on: July 18, 2019, 09:17:33 AM »
"A, cadaver dog with a 95% success rate alerted several times in the McCann, apartment"   

Grime does not say that more alerts improve the reliability.

"A man seen carrying a child identified with 60 to 80 % certainty to be Gerry"

At a time the PJ stressed Gerry had a solid alibi.

"15 markers of maddies DNa alerted to by a, blood dog."  John Lowe's report states those markers could come from up to 5 different people.  Inconclusive result.

"Kate refusing to answer questions"
As was her right under the law governing aguidos,

I understand all of that... But I think it's quite possible the mccanns would have been found guilty.

The point I'm making is Grime has changed his mind..
Anectdital witness statements now corroborate the alerts.

Inconsistent imo

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1232 on: July 18, 2019, 09:23:31 AM »
I understand all of that... But I think it's quite possible the mccanns would have been found guilty.

The point I'm making is Grime has changed his mind..
Anectdital witness statements now corroborate the alerts.

Inconsistent imo
"Grime has changed his mind" - Maybe not. 
Anecdotal witness statements now corroborate the alerts. - maybe that has always been the case.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1233 on: July 18, 2019, 09:24:47 AM »
"Grime has changed his mind" - Maybe not. 
Anecdotal witness statements now corroborate the alerts. - maybe that has always been the case.

It wasn't the case in Luz... That was made quite clear.. It's a clear massive change

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1234 on: July 18, 2019, 09:31:43 AM »
It wasn't the case in Luz... That was made quite clear.. It's a clear massive change
We'd need the actual words at this stage to compare.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1235 on: July 18, 2019, 09:33:07 AM »
We'd need the actual words at this stage to compare.

I've supplied them several times in the last couple of weeks... If you can't see and understand  what's happened it doesn't really matter

If you are, still unaware of what both Grime and Harrison said in Luz...I'm quite surprised
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1236 on: July 18, 2019, 10:02:52 AM »
ive already explained this several times...Grime seems to have had a massive change of mind as to what constitutes corroboration of the VRD alerts and has offerred no explanation for this. Based on his views in the white paper the alerts in Luz would be considered corroborated.

Maybe he was asked to tone it down in PdL?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1237 on: July 18, 2019, 10:19:44 AM »
Maybe he was asked to tone it down in PdL?

harrison said the same thing...
Are you suggesting Grime lied..are you suggesting he might tone it down or tone it up...depending on the case

Offline Angelo222

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1238 on: July 18, 2019, 10:32:07 AM »
ive already explained this several times...Grime seems to have had a massive change of mind as to what constitutes corroboration of the VRD alerts and has offerred no explanation for this. Based on his views in the white paper the alerts in Luz would be considered corroborated.

Corroborated by what davel?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1239 on: July 18, 2019, 10:45:28 AM »
Corroborated by what davel?

an anectdotal witness statement will now corroborate the alerts according to Grimes latest white paper

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1240 on: July 18, 2019, 11:33:20 AM »
an anectdotal witness statement will now corroborate the alerts according to Grimes latest white paper
But which statements?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1241 on: July 18, 2019, 11:37:40 AM »
But which statements?

witness satements.....its in the white paper

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1242 on: July 18, 2019, 11:46:06 AM »
We'd need the actual words at this stage to compare.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
"SUMMARY

The tasking for this operation was as per my normal Standard Operating
Procedures. The dogs are deployed as search assets to secure evidence and
locate human remains or Human blood.

The dogs only alerted to property associated with the McCann family. The dog
alert indications MUST be corroborated if to establish their findings as
evidence.

Therefore in this particular case, as no human remains were located, the only
alert indications that may become corroborated are those that the CSI dog
indicated by forensic laboratory analysis.

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence."


Eddie is the EVRD and he hasn't said those alerts can never be corroborated.  OK there was no direct corroboration (no body) but in that last sentence he still allows for the possibility of something coming up, Grime says "unless they can be confirmed with corroborating evidence". 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1243 on: July 18, 2019, 11:46:58 AM »
witness satements.....its in the white paper
I want the PJ file names. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1244 on: July 18, 2019, 11:51:38 AM »
I want the PJ file names.

Then look for them. Ive reached my conclusions and I think they are absolutely correct. Im not here to convince anyone. I can see exactly whats going on and I know exactly why grime has changed his mind.