Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Robittybob1]

She contradicts herself,saying there are no published studies to show how long human remains linger (cadaver smell?) whilst saying maybe detected for no longer than a week.

She argued the organic compounds that emanate the odor of human remains are volatile and may be detected “for no more than one week,” court documents show. She said there are no published studies about how long human remains linger.

https://the-journal.com/articles/145858

"Cablk testified to the ephemeral nature of the odor of human remains, saying that, based on her experience, the lingering smell of a decaying human corpse after it has been removed from a location “should be detectable by HRD (human-remains detection) dogs for no more than one week,” Wilson wrote."

Sounds like she has had experience at getting rid of bodies!

[Mr Gray]

You need to read what she says,"may be detected for no more than one week" then goes onto say,no published studies into how long human remains linger.Its an opinion it seems.

as I predicted...she is challenging the claim based on there  being no published evidence that the odour would last that long

[ShiningInLuz]

I know,but its been pointed out many times what crimes the UK can prosecute on,for crimes committed abroad, can you imagine the media circus,who'd want the poison chalice.

I am not an avid supporter of OG, but ...

If OG found sufficient evidence of body occultation, abduction or murder, I have confidence that prosecution of the same would follow.

[barrier]

as I predicted...she is challenging the claim based on there  being no published evidence that the odour would last that long

If the prosecution is worth its salt,then that could easily be exposed.
Exhume a corpse,take the judge and jury to where the body was exhumed from a week or so later and let the dogs loose,if they alert what then.

[Robittybob1]

If the prosecution is worth its salt,then that could easily be exposed.
Exhume a corpse,take the judge and jury to where the body was exhumed from a week or so later and let the dogs loose,if they alert what then.

There could be more bodies deeper down or nearby.

[Mr Gray]

If the prosecution is worth its salt,then that could easily be exposed.
Exhume a corpse,take the judge and jury to where the body was exhumed from a week or so later and let the dogs loose,if they alert what then.

really...this is the problem with testing....

you cannot equate a site where a body was left for minutes with a site where reamins have leached into the soil...and would be detectable for years. This is the problem with admitting such evidence for the general public to understand

[ShiningInLuz]

If the prosecution is worth its salt,then that could easily be exposed.
Exhume a corpse,take the judge and jury to where the body was exhumed from a week or so later and let the dogs loose,if they alert what then.

Eeek!  It's only a matter of time now before someone suggests I should nip over to Luz cemetery, exhume a grave, then see if my cadaver doggie alerts to the grave.

[Mr Gray]

If the prosecution is worth its salt,then that could easily be exposed.
Exhume a corpse,take the judge and jury to where the body was exhumed from a week or so later and let the dogs loose,if they alert what then.

so what evidence is there that remnant scent would still be present in 5a after 3 months...absolutely none

[Mr Gray]

Eeek!  It's only a matter of time now before someone suggests I should nip over to Luz cemetery, exhume a grave, then see if my cadaver doggie alerts to the grave.

do you think any posters here believe you have a cadaver dog

[barrier]

so what evidence is there that remnant scent would still be present in 5a after 3 months...absolutely none

Wasn't there an alert in the Shannon Mathews case,way past a week there wasn't it on old furniture.

[Mr Gray]

Wasn't there an alert in the Shannon Mathews case,way past a week there wasn't it on old furniture.

thats whats claimed...but no evidence to show its true. thats the whole point...no proper tests...no proper basis to make any calims

[ShiningInLuz]

do you think any posters here believe you have a cadaver dog

I don't care whether they do or don't.

I haven't yet taken him to Luz cemetery to find out if he would be of any use there.

Perhaps I should take him to the old cemetery beside Nossa Senhora da Luz?  I understand all the bodies have been exhumed and re-interred in the current cemetery.

[Robittybob1]

I don't care whether they do or don't.

I haven't yet taken him to Luz cemetery to find out if he would be of any use there.

Perhaps I should take him to the old cemetery beside Nossa Senhora da Luz?  I understand all the bodies have been exhumed and re-interred in the current cemetery.

Have they checked the area with a cadaver dog?  That there isn't a body left behind.

[Robittybob1]

thats whats claimed...but no evidence to show its true. thats the whole point...no proper tests...no proper basis to make any calims

It is one of the considerations listed in the white paper.  - deceased estate furniture.

[Robittybob1]

do you think any posters here believe you have a cadaver dog

He finds cadavers but all species at this stage.