Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Corroboration was forensic in  Luz...it's now anecdotal witness statements...I haven't accused grime of anything...
I'm quite careful in the use of words..

Corroborative evidence is just that. It’s up to a court to decide how much weight it carries.

So let’s just get this clear you do not assert that Grime (possibly after discussing the case with Amaral) gave cues to the dogs to alert at certain locations connected to the McCann’s because he had ceased acting as a Policeman and was instead acting as a businessman concerned with personal financial gain?

[Mr Gray]

Corroborative evidence is just that. It’s up to a court to decide how much weight it carries.

So let’s just get this clear you do not assert that Grime (possibly after discussing the case with Amaral) gave cues to the dogs to alert at certain locations connected to the McCann’s because he had ceased acting as a Policeman and was instead acting as a businessman concerned with personal financial gain?

I think you are confusing me with rob...that's what rob was suggesting...I don't believe that at all

[misty]

How many UK cases did Grime work on after the Jersey fiasco in 2008?

[Mr Gray]

Corroborative evidence is just that. It’s up to a court to decide how much weight it carries.

So let’s just get this clear you do not assert that Grime (possibly after discussing the case with Amaral) gave cues to the dogs to alert at certain locations connected to the McCann’s because he had ceased acting as a Policeman and was instead acting as a businessman concerned with personal financial gain?

The point I have made is that Grime seems to have changed what he regards as corroborative evidence...

[Mr Gray]

How many UK cases did Grime work on after the Jersey fiasco in 2008?

That's eleven years..it must be loads him being the expert

[misty]

That's eleven years..it must be loads him being the expert

You'd think so. I'll await an informed response from one of the EVRD supporters.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

You'd think so. I'll await an informed response from one of the EVRD supporters.

I’m pretty sure he retired!

The question you should be asking of course is how many times have Police deemed it helpful to use EVRD in investigations since August 2007.

[Robittybob1]

So a scent a week old...ties in with what the American says

Davel we don't want to go back to having rows but unless you make proper sentences will will never make progress.
"So a scent a week old...ties in with what the American says"  What  do you mean by that?
A scent made by someone walking can be tracked by a tracker dog a week later.

A scent left by a cadaver - there is no science to show how long that remains.  But anyone who knows a cadaver smells a lot worse than most people's feet.

[Robittybob1]

I think you are confusing me with rob...that's what rob was suggesting...I don't believe that at all

No it is you who is confusing that with me.  I've never said anything along those lines. 

[misty]

I’m pretty sure he retired!

The question you should be asking of course is how many times have Police deemed it helpful to use EVRD in investigations since August 2007.

Eddie was apparently the only EVRD in the world.
Retirement didn't prevent Grime working on a case in Sept. '07 or Jersey in Feb '08. Can you cite any UK deployments after Jersey?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Eddie was apparently the only EVRD in the world.
Retirement didn't prevent Grime working on a case in Sept. '07 or Jersey in Feb '08. Can you cite any UK deployments after Jersey?

Since when were we talking “UK only”? In my opinion the dog wasn’t wrong in Jersey. Eddie’s work gets questioned mainly only in 2 cases. Is there a link?

[misty]

Since when were we talking “YK only”? I in my opinion the dog wasn’t wrong in Jersey. Eddie’s work gets questioned mainly only in 2 cases. Is there a link?

Do you think Eddie/Grime's reliability played any part in the lack of UK deployments after Luz & Jersey? Both cases put dog & handler under a level of scrutiny not previously expected or experienced in UK or any other country.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Do you think Eddie/Grime's reliability played any part in the lack of UK deployments after Luz & Jersey? Both cases put dog & handler under a level of scrutiny not previously expected or experienced in UK or any other country.

I have no idea, but in my opinion Grime acted with professionalism and integrity. Eddie did what he was trained to do. In Luz, alongside the alerts of Keela, this helped forensic teams to collect and analyse human cellular material. Some of which was found to have 15 DNA markers that MM had. "Too complex" for the FSS to make a meaningful interpretation, as "more than one person "contributing. A US forensic scientist has claimed he could make a meaningful interpretation of the DNA data within two weeks.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

My problem with Martin grime is that during the searches in luz he was ceasing to be a policeman and becoming a businessman. As a businessman he has a financial interest in promoting the alerts as valuable.....that to me provides a conflict of interest. Ive no doubt he believes in the ability of his dogs...but can we rule out confirmation bias.

Davel - see above!!! It was you that said it and as I stated that is an incredibly serious allegation. You haven't even worded it carefully as you claimed... but instead it is stated as fact: "in luz he was ceasing to be a policeman and becoming a businessman. As a businessman he has a financial interest in promoting the alerts as valuable".

[misty]

I have no idea, but in my opinion Grime acted with professionalism and integrity. Eddie did what he was trained to do. In Luz, alongside the alerts of Keela, this helped forensic teams to collect and analyse human cellular material. Some of which was found to have 15 DNA markers that MM had. "Too complex" for the FSS to make a meaningful interpretation, as "more than one person "contributing. A US forensic scientist has claimed he could make a meaningful interpretation of the DNA data within two weeks.

Eddie was not trained to pick up potential evidence with his mouth. Another cadaver dog was not deployed to validate Eddie's alerts. Keela's alerts neither corroborated nor invalidated potential cadaver odour in the areas Eddie barked.
I'm not interested in what Perlin thinks he can do with a mixed & incomplete DNA test result. Confirming the presence of a speck of Madeleine's DNA would add nothing to the investigation imo.