Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[jassi]

I meant without prior authorisation from a donor and that's what happening here:

The cadavers on most body farms come from two sources: medical examiners -- "If nobody claims a body, you have to do something with it," Jantz said -- and pre-donors. The latter is the preferred method: the Anthropological Research Facility in Knoxville currently has over 2,000 pre-donors on file who will bestow their corporeal remains to the facility after they die. "We get over 100 donated bodies each year from donations," Jantz said. "People donate themselves like they would to a medical school."

Is there any evidence 'Eddie' trained with human corpses?  And even if he did he did not locate a corpse or human remains at 5A or in the hire car.

Quite right, no corpse, but nobody can say what he did locate in 5A & the hire car.

[barrier]

I meant without prior authorisation from a donor and that's what happening here:

The cadavers on most body farms come from two sources: medical examiners -- "If nobody claims a body, you have to do something with it," Jantz said -- and pre-donors. The latter is the preferred method: the Anthropological Research Facility in Knoxville currently has over 2,000 pre-donors on file who will bestow their corporeal remains to the facility after they die. "We get over 100 donated bodies each year from donations," Jantz said. "People donate themselves like they would to a medical school."

Is there any evidence 'Eddie' trained with human corpses?  And even if he did he did not locate a corpse or human remains at 5A or in the hire car.

Martin Grime says he trained Eddie with human remains in association with FBI,human remains generally refer to bodies,unless one is going to be a pedant.

[Holly Goodhead]

Quite right, no corpse, but nobody can say what he did locate in 5A & the hire car.

I don't believe he located anything, did he?  I thought he alerted?

[jassi]

I don't believe he located anything, did he?  I thought he alerted?

OK, if you want to be pedantic, but he alerted at various locations

Humans failed to find anything.

[Holly Goodhead]

OK, if you want to be pedantic, but he alerted at various locations

What was he alerting to if nothing was found by way of a corpse/remains?

Humans failed to find anything.

I'm not sure what you mean by humans?  FSS?

[Eleanor]

Martin Grime says he trained Eddie with human remains in association with FBI,human remains generally refer to bodies,unless one is going to be a pedant.

Certainly not until after Eddie went to Portugal.  Eddie was not owned by Martim Grime until then.

[Holly Goodhead]

Martin Grime says he trained Eddie with human remains in association with FBI,human remains generally refer to bodies,unless one is going to be a pedant.

Ok if I assume Grimes trained Eddie with human remains what's the relevance to this case since he didn't locate any human remains? 

[barrier]

Ok if I assume Grimes trained Eddie with human remains what's the relevance to this case since he didn't locate any human remains?

Human remains give off a pong,Eddie was trained on this,Eddie alerted in 5A,what was it? if not what he was trained for,no one knows.

[jassi]

What was he alerting to if nothing was found by way of a corpse/remains?

I'm not sure what you mean by humans?  FSS?

No one knows what he alerted to.

I assume that FSS personnel are human

[Holly Goodhead]

Human remains give off a pong,Eddie was trained on this,Eddie alerted in 5A,what was it? if not what he was trained for,no one knows.

Probably contamination as in the Shannon Matthews case:

The properties the dogs searched contained a high level of second hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture.

Page 25:

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

[Robittybob1]

No individual or state thankfully has the power to take human remains, however big or small, to use in such an experiment.

We don't need 'Keela' to see minute quantities of blood she simply alerts to and scrapings are collected for scientific examination.   In this case FSS were unable to identify anything remotely relevant.

We don't know if the DNA result was relevant.  I tend to think it was.  15 out of the 19 markers were found that Madeleine had.  A total of 36 alleles found in all, how many of the 21 other alleles found could have matched Kate or Gerry?

[Robittybob1]

Please post up the video.

It was on YouTube have you looked there yet?  Martin Grime training dog should find it.  Was it this one?  https://youtu.be/en5zHpvG9m0  That is the one, and the dogs being trained are Keela and Eddie.  So they were trained on UK soil with human remains.

[Eleanor]

It was on YouTube have you looked there yet?  Martin Grime training dog should find it.  Was it this one?  https://youtu.be/en5zHpvG9m0  That is the one, and the dogs being trained are Keela and Eddie.  So they were trained on UK soil with human remains.

Oh Dear Rob.  That won't do I'm afraid.

[Robittybob1]

Oh Dear Rob.  That won't do I'm afraid.

What is wrong with that?  The only thing I wasn't sure about was whether Jersey is part of the UK.

[Eleanor]

What is wrong with that?  The only thing I wasn't sure about was whether Jersey is part of the UK.

Hideho for a start.  The cherry picking, innuendo promoting liar of all time.

A hand full of ground up 100 year old bones.  I wonder whose funeral urn they came from, if they are indeed what he says they are.  No provenance supplied.

And No, Jersey isn't part of The UK.