Author Topic: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say  (Read 56631 times)

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Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #90 on: March 17, 2013, 09:32:23 AM »
If you have a look at Dr Vanezis' Report dated 26 November 1985 at page 1.  PV/2 is a flattened bullet recovered from Nevill's left arm.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=204.0

I think PV/2 was the bullet that fractured the left humerus (comminuted fracture of the upper third of it).

This was recovered from the soft tissue near the fracture site.

I think I have got this now Myster.  There were in fact two bullet strikes on Nevill's left arm. 

The first being the one which hit the arm just below the shoulder and is referred to as PV/2. 

The second being the one which grazed his arm and was deflected into his chest cavity and fractured.  This bullet was not recovered although seen on x-ray. 

I take it then that it was this second bullet which made the gouge mark on Nevill's left arm?

You were probably right first time with the gouge mark being made by a sharp object, i.e. some part of the rifle, rather than a bullet.
And if that was the left forearm like you suggested and I agreed with, then it couldn't have been bullet wound number 8 because this was located 4" above the left elbow, which I take to mean in the biceps area of the upper arm.

Vanezis noted bullet 8 in the diagram caused an 'oblique grazing wound' but that in the photo looks more like a puncture wound.
If you refer to the site I linked to above there were two images of bullet graze wounds, or if you google images for 'graze gunshot wound' - you'll see that they tend to be long and shallow.
But to confuse the issue further Vanezis estimated this grazing wound to be only 1/2" which isn't long !

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #91 on: March 17, 2013, 09:43:59 AM »
Great work everyone, I have learned so much even now. I think we must forget much of what we learn as we go along as there is so much to take in.

Are we all singing from the same song sheet then as relates to the bullet wounds?

The way I see it is that bullet wounds 1 2 3 and 4 were targeted shots and probably the fatal ones as Nevill lay dying.  Wounds 5 6 7 and 8 would appear to be from the initial attack and are all over the place.

Nevill was fatally wounded more or less where he was found with the right side of his head being an easy target.

Correct... bullets wounds 1 to 4 to the top & right side of the head when Nevill was bent over with his head in the scuttle, wounds 5 to 8 to the left side of the jaw & left arm received upstairs... (unless somebody comes along and confuses me again!)

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Outlook

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #92 on: March 17, 2013, 11:00:15 AM »

I always faint when I'm in a pub and pregnant, and although I'm little it takes at least 2 blokes to carry me out. The last time it happened, one of the blokes who kindly lifted me up took the opportunity to have a bit of a grimble at one of my boobs. Anyhoo. The point is, I'm 8 and a half stone, and it takes 2 grown men to pick me up. Sheila could not have lifted Ralph's body up, and if she'd tried, she would have been covered in blood.
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Humm,  I had never thought of that.  I'll try fainting next time I am in a bar.  I fear my allure is fading these days.

Offline Outlook

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #93 on: March 17, 2013, 11:04:38 AM »
Great work everyone, I have learned so much even now. I think we must forget much of what we learn as we go along as there is so much to take in.

Are we all singing from the same song sheet then as relates to the bullet wounds?

The way I see it is that bullet wounds 1 2 3 and 4 were targeted shots and probably the fatal ones as Nevill lay dying.  Wounds 5 6 7 and 8 would appear to be from the initial attack and are all over the place.

Nevill was fatally wounded more or less where he was found with the right side of his head being an easy target.

Correct... bullets wounds 1 to 4 to the top & right side of the head when Nevill was bent over with his head in the scuttle, wounds 5 to 8 to the left side of the jaw & left arm received upstairs... (unless somebody comes along and confuses me again!)

I'll go along with that.  We will never really know but it is probably the best explanation.

I would not rule out some post-mortem movement of the body for nefarious reasons but I do not see it changing anything.

Offline ActualMat

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Lead Detective Sgt Stan Jones has his say
« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2013, 08:21:20 PM »
Interesting to read Stan's words.