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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #480 on: December 01, 2018, 08:15:33 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on December 01, 2018, 08:09:09 PM
That wasn't his purpose.
He puts an unusual amount of faith in the attributes of an improperly inserted screw.  Was that his function?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #481 on: December 01, 2018, 08:22:16 PM »
Quote from: John on November 29, 2018, 05:37:04 PM
Once the front door is closed it cannot be opened from the outside without the key unless the latch is locked back. The only time it is ever locked back is when you are walking in and out and don't want the door to lock behind you.  There was no reason for the door latch to be locked back that night.
The door on 5A had no exterior door handle as such, just a knob to pull on.
So if the latch was locked back as you describe would the door just be swinging free to blow in the breeze going through the apartment?
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Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #482 on: December 01, 2018, 09:03:25 PM »
Is the knob part of the mechanism - ie does it turn and move the latch?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #483 on: December 01, 2018, 09:09:23 PM »
Quote from: jassi on December 01, 2018, 09:03:25 PM
Is the knob part of the mechanism - ie does it turn and move the latch?
It seems too far away from the latch to be part of the mechanism.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #484 on: December 01, 2018, 10:02:06 PM »
Quote from: jassi on December 01, 2018, 09:03:25 PM
Is the knob part of the mechanism - ie does it turn and move the latch?

Nah!
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm
Scroll down to page 12/16 ; it shows pretty much all you need to know..... ?{)(**
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #485 on: December 01, 2018, 10:47:04 PM »
Quote from: Alice Purjorick on December 01, 2018, 10:02:06 PM
Nah!
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm
Scroll down to page 12/16 ; it shows pretty much all you need to know..... ?{)(**
Are you talking about this photo?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #486 on: December 02, 2018, 09:06:55 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 01, 2018, 10:47:04 PM
Are you talking about this photo?
No matter how long I look at those photos I can't tell if the latch bolt and the dead latch plunger move in unison or they move  separately.
One situation would allow the front door to be pulled closed behind someone if they exited via the front door and the other you'd need a key to close it from the outside. 
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #487 on: December 02, 2018, 09:36:16 AM »
Quote from: Montclair on November 25, 2018, 10:52:09 PM
In this interview with Sandra Felgueiras, the McCanns state that Madeleine would not have been able to leave the apartment on her own and Kate says that the window and shutter were open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_KdIKe_Zds


Not quite,Sandra suggest's to them they don't believe that madeleine would not be able to,KM describes how she found the apartment and suggest Madeline wouldn't leave it like it and leave,GM even suggest in theory its possible to leave of her own accord.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #488 on: December 02, 2018, 09:54:01 AM »
Quote from: barrier on December 02, 2018, 09:36:16 AM

Not quite,Sandra suggest's to them they don't believe that madeleine would not be able to,KM describes how she found the apartment and suggest Madeline wouldn't leave it like it and leave,GM even suggest in theory its possible to leave of her own accord.
Could you edit your post to make it read properly please?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #489 on: December 02, 2018, 09:58:13 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 02, 2018, 09:54:01 AM
Could you edit your post to make it read properly please?

It reads perfectly  well
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #490 on: December 02, 2018, 10:01:44 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 02, 2018, 09:54:01 AM
Could you edit your post to make it read properly please?


Self explanatory Rob.

Sandra says (and its a bit lost in  her meaning I think),that didn't it cross your mind that Madeleine wouldn't cross the door and go looking for you.

KM then describes how she found the window and says Madeleine wouldn't leave it like that,GM then goes onto says leaving on her own is in theory a possibility.
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #491 on: December 02, 2018, 10:02:19 AM »
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2018, 09:58:13 AM
It reads perfectly  well

Thank you.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #492 on: December 02, 2018, 10:02:38 AM »
Quote from: Montclair on November 25, 2018, 10:52:09 PM
In this interview with Sandra Felgueiras, the McCanns state that Madeleine would not have been able to leave the apartment on her own and Kate says that the window and shutter were open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_KdIKe_Zds
The transcript "SF   So you have no doubts, she was taken from the bed?

KM    No doubts. A three-year old would not be able to do that.

GM   If you are saying, "Is it theoretically possible that Madeleine left the apartment, then yes.  Do we believe it and do we think she was capable of leaving the apartment the way it was found and by which exit did she leave, then absolutely not."

So it is possible Madeleine left on her own, but she is incapable of leaving the apartment in the way it was found. 

Doesn't that mean if she left on her own someone else had altered the scene before Kate did her check?  That's what I think Gerry is implying.
And that is my theory.  That there was someone else who entered the apartment after Matt's check and before Kate did her check.

(Kate seems to have a different POV to Gerry.  Kate seems to think she was taken from her bed.  How did the intruder leave Kate?)  She hasn't really worked it out IMO.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #493 on: December 02, 2018, 10:05:54 AM »
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2018, 09:58:13 AM
It reads perfectly  well
Well I don't agree with you but I roughly get what Barrier means now.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #494 on: December 02, 2018, 10:08:42 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 02, 2018, 10:05:54 AM
Well I don't agree with you but I roughly get what Barrier means now.

The problem is some posters read posts in isolation and not in context... Therein lies the problem...
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