Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Robittybob1]

Rob stop making a mountain out of a molehill,AF asked it as a question, listen to KM and GM reply they fully understood it as such.

Please just write down the question SF asked, as you think it meant, pretend that you were being interviewed.

Goncalo Amaral seems to be of the opinion the only way in to the apartment  without leaving a trace would be if the intruder had a key.   Even though the patio door was unlocked he felt it was unlikely an intruder would attack from the back as it would be too visible from the Tapas area.

In case of fire.....this would be seen by passers by...the fact the patio door was open would enable passers by to access the apartment

Only to those that knew it was open.  Would passers by enter a building on fire without know there was someone in there?

[Mr Gray]

Please just write down the question SF asked, as you think it meant, pretend that you were being interviewed.

Goncalo Amaral seems to be of the opinion the only way in to the apartment  without leaving a trace would be if the intruder had a key.   Even though the patio door was unlocked he felt it was unlikely an intruder would attack from the back as it would be too visible from the Tapas area.
Only to those that knew it was open.  Would passers by enter a building on fire without know there was someone in there?

of course they would...and they would try the doors

[Miss Taken Identity]

The question has always been even if the patio door was left unlocked could Madeleine pull the door open when needed?  It has to be more than Kate's intentions, Kate has to check that Madeleine was capable.  She may have seen it happen during the week so she knew Madeleine was more than able to do these tasks.

You can't have it both ways, in case of fire would Madeleine have had to rescue the the twins as well as getting herself out of the building?

I am not asking what would happen in a fire. I was stating that KATE left a door unlocked and I am seeking to find out  why?  I merely used the  fire scenaro to use as an excuse... to explain about the locking mechanism you were obsessing about.

...and why was this important information not allowed airtime at the same time in the same interview along with the 'abduction via window'!?

PR PR and PR...


So now we have  a situation when the unlocked door was eventuallly discussed, the woke and wandered was seen as another theory....but dismissed out of hand by the parents who claim it ws impossible for MBM to get out of the apartment SO AGAIN I ask.. why did Kate leave a door unlocked- one which her child could not escape?


Davel, as  You have no firefighting experience, your remarks are better ignored.

But a nod to those  who seem keen to find out. https://www.firerescue1.com/Firefighter-Training

Please note: member of the public with no firefighting experience can casue death by allowing oxygen to access a buring building.


Oh and just for a bit of fun... Why do we have fire doors?  um  erm  ah  yes  difficult one that!

[Mr Gray]

I am not asking what would happen in a fire. I was stating that KATE left a door unlocked and I am seeking to find out  why?  I merely used the  fire scenaro to use as an excuse... to explain about the locking mechanism you were obsessing about.

...and why was this important information not allowed airtime at the same time in the same interview along with the 'abduction via window'!?

PR PR and PR...


So now we have  a situation when the unlocked door was eventuallly discussed, the woke and wandered was seen as another theory....but dismissed out of hand by the parents who claim it ws impossible for MBM to get out of the apartment SO AGAIN I ask.. why did Kate leave a door unlocked- one which her child could not escape?


Davel, as  You have no firefighting experience, your remarks are better ignored.

But a nod to those  who seem keen to find out. https://www.firerescue1.com/Firefighter-Training

Please note: member of the public with no firefighting experience can casue death by allowing oxygen to access a buring building.


Oh and just for a bit of fun... Why do we have fire doors?  um  erm  ah  yes  difficult one that!

LOL....I do have fire fighting training...so your remarks are better ignored...Its  a  mandatory requirement for me and my staff...and for many employed people....perhps thats why you dont realise
www.highspeedtraining.co.uk/hub/how-many-fire-wardens/

you claim to work in an office....which must have fire extinguishers...have you really had no training

[Miss Taken Identity]

LOL....I do have fire fighting training...so your remarks are better ignored...Its  a  mandatory requirement for me and my staff...and for many employed people....perhps thats why you dont realise

Oh I do know about mandatory training in the NHS as do the great Doctors who left their children alone.

  At no time in the training are you advised to open a door of a burning building with no firefighting equiptment.

But that was from experts in that field doing the training. I find your claims hilarious and without foundation. AND down right dangerous!

[Mr Gray]

Oh I do know about mandatory training in the NHS as do the great Doctors who left their children alone.

  At no time in the training are you advised to open a door of a burning building with no firefighting equiptment.

But that was from experts in that field doing the training. I find your claims hilarious and without foundation. AND down right dangerous!

I dont work in the NHS...can you not make a post without trying to insult...waht claims do you find hilarious and without foundation

[Mr Gray]

Oh I do know about mandatory training in the NHS as do the great Doctors who left their children alone.

  At no time in the training are you advised to open a door of a burning building with no firefighting equiptment.

But that was from experts in that field doing the training. I find your claims hilarious and without foundation. AND down right dangerous!

really...so if a building is burning...and there is a child in an accessible room...you dont open the door but leave the child to burn to death.......bonkers as opposed to hilarious


so if the building is burning...should you not open the door to escape...the first rule is get out and stay out

[Miss Taken Identity]

I dont work in the NHS...can you not make a post without trying to insult...waht claims do you find hilarious and without foundation

Why did Kate leave a door unlocked? who was supposed to use it, who knew about it?

Not for her daughter as she claims her daughter couldn't have left the apartment...

[Mr Gray]

I have never claimed I work in an office!  do you feel insulted.. oh dear.

You are not trained in firefighting- claiming that you are  is hilarious as the advice you offer is against the firefighting training offered by experts!

Yes  too funny  open the door and let the oxygen cause a backdraft... wow what really?

Now then one can look at the philpots-- tried to 'save' their children... Dad had it all planned... as a non experienced firefighter...

Anyway back to the thread. 

Why did Kate leave a door unlocked? who was supposed to use it, who knew about it?

Not for her daughter as she claims her daughter coulnd't have left the apartment...

read my post again....I said TRYING to insult...

so expert advice...according to you is to let a child burn to death

[Sunny]

LOL....I do have fire fighting training...so your remarks are better ignored...Its  a  mandatory requirement for me and my staff...and for many employed people....perhps thats why you dont realise
www.highspeedtraining.co.uk/hub/how-many-fire-wardens/

you claim to work in an office....which must have fire extinguishers...have you really had no training

Can you show me where the link shows that fire extinguisher training is given please?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I have never claimed I work in an office!  do you feel insulted.. oh dear.

You are not trained in firefighting- claiming that you are  is hilarious as the advice you offer is against the firefighting training offered by experts!

Yes  too funny  open the door and let the oxygen cause a backdraft... wow what really?

Now then one can look at the philpots-- tried to 'save' their children... Dad had it all planned... as a non experienced firefighter...

Anyway back to the thread. 

Why did Kate leave a door unlocked? who was supposed to use it, who knew about it?

Not for her daughter as she claims her daughter coulnd't have left the apartment...

Did she claim her daughter could not have physically left the apartment or that the manner in which the apartment was left (ie patio doors closed, stairgate shut etc) meant it was not possible her daughter had left the apartment? 

[Mr Gray]

Can you show me where the link shows that fire extinguisher training is given please?

so you think you can have an office or workplace full of fire extinguishers and no one with experience of using them...try using a little logic.....fire training involves going in the car park and letting off a few extinguishers

[Miss Taken Identity]

read my post again....I said TRYING to insult....

so expert advice...according to you is to let a child burn to death

Can anyone offer a reasonable explanation as to why Kate would leave a door unlocked- which wasn't for her daughter as she claims her daughter couldn't have got out of that apartment.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Can anyone offer a reasonable explanation as to why Kate would leave a door unlocked- which wasn't for her daughter as she claims her daughter couldn't have got out of that apartment.

Did she claim her daughter could not have physically left the apartment or that the manner in which the apartment was left (ie patio doors closed, stairgate shut etc) meant it was not possible her daughter had left the apartment?

[Mr Gray]

Can anyone offer a reasonable explanation as to why Kate would leave a door unlocked- which wasn't for her daughter as she claims her daughter couldn't have got out of that apartment.

show me where I claimed to be an expert firefighter,....(deleted)