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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1035 on: May 27, 2019, 11:52:45 AM »
What they're doing, just as the McCanns did, is ignoring all the pther reasons why small children shouldn't be left alone. Fear of abduction is not the only or even the main reason not to do that,
So do you feel the 4 Tapas 9 families should have been charged with child neglect or such like that?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1036 on: May 27, 2019, 11:53:18 AM »
What they're doing, just as the McCanns did, is ignoring all the pther reasons why small children shouldn't be left alone. Fear of abduction is not the only or even the main reason not to do that,
What is the main reason? 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1037 on: May 27, 2019, 11:53:43 AM »
"the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments"  makes it sound that if the McCanns were to be charged they would need to consider charge each parent "of any of the children that were in their respective apartments".

So either no one charged or all 4 families charged.

A very good point. They were all equally at fault, although the McCanns allegedly went a step further by leaving their apartment less secure.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1038 on: May 27, 2019, 11:55:18 AM »
So do you feel the 4 Tapas 9 families should have been charged with child neglect or such like that?
Of course she does, however the Portuguese Judicial System (held in such high regard by most sceptics) disagreed.  end of. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1039 on: May 27, 2019, 11:56:31 AM »
That takes you right back  to the old Jim Gamble paradox. How can someone with an operational insight of the case plausibly believe the child may have woke and wandered and exclude a staged abduction at the same time? That's what he has done publicly but he must know Madeleine's prints weren't on the window. IMO given his insight of the case by admitting the possibility that the child may have wandered from an unlocked apartment, he has to either be directly or indirectly admitting the possibility that there is more to this than has ever been revealed.

What other PLAUSIBLE excuses could there be for the window and the shutter?
Now we take the giant leap into complete fantasy IMO.
I'm sure there other causes.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1040 on: May 27, 2019, 11:57:59 AM »
A very good point. They were all equally at fault, although the McCanns allegedly went a step further by leaving their apartment less secure.
That has some advantages had there been a fire.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1041 on: May 27, 2019, 12:01:48 PM »
But why would Gerry use the secured entry method if he had remembered leaving it unsecured?
Maybe he had arranged to meet someone at the secured entry?

That was the reason for why I included the question mark at the end?

If you are you going to take the giant leap into complete fantasy, be my guest?

I like a bit of good comedy.

Well my favourite is an attempted burglary that was aborted, after opening the window and raising the shutter.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1042 on: May 27, 2019, 12:18:22 PM »
10/10 for complete fantasy IMO.

Enjoy the rest of your day Rob.
Perhaps you could explain what is fantastical about it.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1043 on: May 27, 2019, 12:19:40 PM »
What is the main reason?

The main reason is that small children don't have the ability to cope alone.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1044 on: May 27, 2019, 12:22:39 PM »
The main reason is that small children don't have the ability to cope alone.
Cope alone with what?  Sleeping soundly in their beds? 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1045 on: May 27, 2019, 12:36:38 PM »
So do you feel the 4 Tapas 9 families should have been charged with child neglect or such like that?

I think that may have entered into the prosecutor's mind as something to be taken into account. To charge them all with neglect would have been extrenely difficult at that late stage.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1046 on: May 27, 2019, 12:40:43 PM »
I don't know what the Attorney General said, do you have a cite?

The prosecutors reasons for their decision not to charge the McCanns with abandonment or neglect were confused imo.

Despite being unable to identify the crime committed against Madeleine, they said this;

"The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments."

Abduction hasn't been shown to have taken place, so how can it be used to justify the psrent's actions?

Please don't do that ... it really does present you in a bad light to obfuscate the document which archived Madeleine's case and set the stage for Amaral to release his book outwith a decent interval.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1047 on: May 27, 2019, 12:41:38 PM »
If I'm picking Rob up correctly, the idea that a burglar breezed into the apartment and proceeded to squeeze their way past the cots to open the window and then done a runner out one of the doors, before the missing child woke and walked out the apartment, to meet an innocent fate that has never been detected in more than 12 years, strikes me as complete fantasy.

You can beg to differ if you like, but IMO, that more than merits a 10/10 for fantasy.
I would say that shutters and window open from the outside in an attempted break-in is less fantastical and certainly not remotely humorous.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1048 on: May 27, 2019, 12:44:12 PM »
If I'm picking Rob up correctly, the idea that a burglar breezed into the apartment and proceeded to squeeze their way past the cots to open the window and then done a runner out one of the doors, before the missing child woke and walked out the apartment, to meet an innocent fate that has never been detected in more than 12 years, strikes me as complete fantasy.

You can beg to differ if you like, but IMO, that more than merits a 10/10 for fantasy.
You added to what I said had happened in the burglary.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1049 on: May 27, 2019, 12:51:39 PM »
What they're doing, just as the McCanns did, is ignoring all the pther reasons why small children shouldn't be left alone. Fear of abduction is not the only or even the main reason not to do that,

Just as you are totally ignoring the ruling made by the Attorney General in the Archiving document that , that as Gilet paraphrased ... "I repeat that they have been specifically cleared of the crime of neglect/abandonment because the authorities have demonstrated that no such crime occurred."
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....