Author Topic: Brexit and Moral Obligations.  (Read 2729 times)

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2019, 11:18:33 AM »
What does ďimplementing the resultĒ actually mean, does anyone really know?

It means that the UK will leave the EU if that's the result of the referendum,
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2019, 11:21:05 AM »
It means that the UK will leave the EU if that's the result of the referendum,
With a deal or without?
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Online Davel

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2019, 11:37:03 AM »
Cameron pledged to abide by the result. All those who voted for the referendum bill did so knowing that, so they all endorsed it.

Mos voted for the bill that was, advisory... Cameron pledged to abide by the result... MPs didn't.. Cameron got it wrong.. He didn't have the authority to mplement the result
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2019, 11:43:01 AM »
Are you suggesting that no-one knew what they were doing but went ahead anyway? I'm quite prepared to believe that but not to see it as a viable excuse.

We're back to the informed-consent analogy.

Or another one: if a bus driver believes that a certain route is the best way to get from A to B, but then learns that it's turned into a dangerous route along a crumbling cliff edge, should the bus driver carry on nonetheless or stop and think about whether it's a good idea?

PS: What's destination B?

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2019, 01:11:54 PM »
I find that lots of MPs could be forgiven for genuinely-held assumptions two years ago.

I can't say the same of an MP  (Daniel Kawczynski) who flat out denies, now, that the UK was a beneficiary of the Marshall Plan. Just how bizarre is that?

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1091980104434155520

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2019, 03:53:34 PM »
If politicians don't keep their promises we might as well stick a pin in our voting papers at a general election because the Manifestos aren't worth the paper they're written on. 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2019, 06:34:06 PM »
If politicians don't keep their promises we might as well stick a pin in our voting papers at a general election because the Manifestos aren't worth the paper they're written on.
You say this as if itís something new, politicians not keeping their manifesto promises....  *%87
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2019, 06:54:29 PM »
If politicians don't keep their promises we might as well stick a pin in our voting papers at a general election because the Manifestos aren't worth the paper they're written on.

I find it beyond gob-smacking that people elected to represent their constituents can spout such "mistruths".

What kind of world is it when you should be fact-checking your local representative, who you might even be friendly with at the local pub?

I wonder if anyone in Shrewsbury realises that their MP is bellowing that the UK never benefited from the Marshall Plan.

Twilight Zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVSRm80WzZk
« Last Edit: February 03, 2019, 07:02:26 PM by Carana »

Online Davel

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2019, 07:50:18 PM »
I find it beyond gob-smacking that people elected to represent their constituents can spout such "mistruths".

What kind of world is it when you should be fact-checking your local representative, who you might even be friendly with at the local pub?

I wonder if anyone in Shrewsbury realises that their MP is bellowing that the UK never benefited from the Marshall Plan.

Twilight Zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVSRm80WzZk
it may be a matter of opinion...the UK received money from the Marshall plan....but did we benefit from it or was the money totally wasted by the then labour government
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2019, 07:59:16 PM »
it may be a matter of opinion...the UK received money from the Marshall plan....but did we benefit from it or was the money totally wasted by the then labour government

This is the statement from the MP in question:

Daniel Kawczynski
‏Verified account @DKShrewsbury

Britain helped to liberate half of Europe. She mortgaged herself up to eye balls in process. No Marshall Plan for us only for Germany. We gave up war reparations in 1990. We put £370 billion into EU since we joined. Watch the way ungrateful EU treats us now. We will remember.
6:01 AM - 2 Feb 2019
https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1091728290337959936

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
« Last Edit: February 03, 2019, 08:10:46 PM by Carana »

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2019, 08:09:06 PM »
You say this as if itís something new, politicians not keeping their manifesto promises....  *%87

It's not politicians breaking their promises that's surprising, it's that people think it's OK.
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2019, 08:13:43 PM »
It's not politicians breaking their promises that's surprising, it's that people think it's OK.

I expect people in jobs above my pay level in various spheres to know what they're talking about. That's what they get paid for.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2019, 08:31:23 PM »
I expect people in jobs above my pay level in various spheres to know what they're talking about. That's what they get paid for.

If you're referring to politicians they didn't, did they? Or so they want us to believe.
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2019, 08:32:59 PM »
If you're referring to politicians they didn't, did they? Or so they want us to believe.

Didn't what?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2019, 08:48:43 PM »
It's not politicians breaking their promises that's surprising, it's that people think it's OK.
So itís the people you have the problem with not the politicians??
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