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Online Davel

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2019, 09:25:33 PM »
I expect people in jobs above my pay level in various spheres to know what they're talking about. That's what they get paid for.

you are probably quite a bit brighter than the average backbencher...cabinet members are far more educated....although diane abbott doesnt come across as particularly bright...corbyn didnt complete his degree having only managed two grade Es at A level...then theres the mp who thought it was clever to try and  avoid 3 penalty points...im sure theres lots more
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2019, 10:02:13 PM »
They voted to hold a referendum. By doing that they accepted that their constituents were going to decide for themselves what their best interests were.

After the result was known they voted to trigger Article 50. Bt doing that they accepted that the UK was going to leave the EU, even if no deal was negotiated.

Did they act against the best interests of their constituents when they did those things?

Yes.
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Online G-Unit

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« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2019, 10:25:54 PM »
So it’s the people you have the problem with not the politicians??

I have a problem with both. Not only do politicians think it's ok to break their promises, some people agree wth them.
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Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2019, 10:35:18 PM »
I expect people in jobs above my pay level in various spheres to know what they're talking about. That's what they get paid for.

If you ignore the Peter Principle, nepotism and the old boy's network some of them might.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2019, 10:55:34 PM »
I have a problem with both. Not only do politicians think it's ok to break their promises, some people agree wth them.
And some people take the pragmatic approach and accept that sometimes promises have to be broken for perfectly good reasons. 

If people have a problem with politicans who break their promises they can vote them out next time. 
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Offline Carana

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« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2019, 11:01:10 PM »
If you ignore the Peter Principle, nepotism and the old boy's network some of them might.

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Online G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2019, 11:36:13 PM »
And some people take the pragmatic approach and accept that sometimes promises have to be broken for perfectly good reasons. 

If people have a problem with politicans who break their promises they can vote them out next time.

MP's clearly believed it was right to hold a referendum and to trigger Article 50. Now they don't velieve that any more. How can people trust them to be telling the truth this time?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2019, 12:04:19 AM »
MP's clearly believed it was right to hold a referendum and to trigger Article 50. Now they don't velieve that any more. How can people trust them to be telling the truth this time?
Trust them to be telling the truth about what?  Most warnings about the impact of a no deal Brexit are coming from businesses and economists.
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« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2019, 12:13:38 AM »
Trust them to be telling the truth about what?  Most warnings about the impact of a no deal Brexit are coming from businesses and economists.

About if and why they have changed their minds.
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Offline John

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2019, 12:13:52 AM »
Trust them to be telling the truth about what?  Most warnings about the impact of a no deal Brexit are coming from businesses and economists.

Inevitably there will be winners and losers in any change in the way the UK does business and brexit is no different.  I truly believe the vast majority of people in the UK will be better off in the long run.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2019, 07:15:21 AM »
About if and why they have changed their minds.
Why would they lie about changing their minds?  That makes no sense at all. 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2019, 07:22:21 AM »
Inevitably there will be winners and losers in any change in the way the UK does business and brexit is no different.  I truly believe the vast majority of people in the UK will be better off in the long run.
Maybe, but in the short run it could be disastrous for those who lose their jobs and livlihood as a result.  We see what longterm harm and resentment the death of the mining (and other) industry bred in this country, many people snd communities have still not recovered, I think Brexit could wreak similar havoc on farming  and the food industry, manufacturing and small business.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2019, 07:25:25 AM »
“Deloitte’s fourth-quarter survey polled 110 finance chiefs, including those at FTSE 100 and FTSE 250 companies as well as the British subsidiaries of overseas businesses. It found 78 per cent were braced for a deterioration in the long-term business environment. Seventy-nine per cent were pessimistic in the third quarter last year.

“Uncertainty over Brexit is driving a marked shift towards defensive balance sheet strategies among British businesses,” Ian Stewart, chief economist at Deloitte, said. “With the UK’s growth prospects heavily dependent on the so far uncertain nature of its exit from the EU, corporates are cutting back on capital expenditure and hiring, focusing instead on cost reduction.”
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Online G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2019, 08:17:42 AM »
This thread isn't about whether the UK should leave the EU or not, it's about whether MP's have a moral obligation to carry out the wishes of the people.

The Prime Minister is committed ro delivering Brexit and in my opinion she is to be commended.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2019, 08:47:16 AM »
This thread isn't about whether the UK should leave the EU or not, it's about whether MP's have a moral obligation to carry out the wishes of the people.

The Prime Minister is committed ro delivering Brexit and in my opinion she is to be commended.

With the closeness of the Referendum, discounting any of the illegalities of the Leave campaign, a Brexit that left us in the SM and CU would have represented the “will of the people”. Both main parties appear to have rejected that and are heading for a harder Brexit for their own reasons.

MPs have a moral obligation to do what is best for their constituents.

Take a shire constituency, the electors would probably in favour for fox hunting, anti LGBT, anti immigration and anti welfare. Should that MP have a moral responsibility to ensure those views are enacted in law?
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