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Offline G-Unit

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2019, 08:54:02 AM »
In your opinion
She has no right to citizenship of Holland.... She does have a right to citizenship of Bangladesh through her mother at least... On what grounds are Bangladesh denying this..
Think about it.. If her son is a britsh citizen as his mothervwss British.... Then she has the right to Bangladesh citizenship... If you don't agree point out the flaw in this logic

My opinion... Bangladesh are illegally making her, stateless

Perhaps you could explain why you assume Bangladesh are acting legally and the UK are not

The important question in my opinion is whether the girl's mother has British citizenship or not. If she does, her daughter isn't automatically entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2019, 08:56:06 AM »
The important question in my opinion is whether the girl's mother has British citizenship or not. If she does, her daughter isn't automatically entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship.

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Do you have a cite fir that... You continually post opinion with no cite...

Offline Eleanor

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2019, 09:27:18 AM »

Why can't they just leave her where she is?  Her son is a Syrian Citizen, absolutely.  Although I don't know what Syria would want to do with her.

She looks far from starving and ill treated, so what is the problem?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2019, 09:37:49 AM »
The important question in my opinion is whether the girl's mother has British citizenship or not. If she does, her daughter isn't automatically entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship.

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CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH
Those that are born to at least one Bangladeshi parent acquire citizenship at birth. Those that are born in Bangladesh to parents whose identity and/or nationality are unknown also acquire citizenship by birth, as the child is assumed to be born to Bangladeshi nationals.

Citizenship at birth is also conferred upon Urdu-speaking people of Bangladesh since May 2008.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #94 on: February 21, 2019, 09:57:49 AM »

5. Citizenship by descent.- (1) A person born in a country outside Bangladesh on or after
the 25th day of March, 1971, shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his either parent
is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of his birth.
6. Dual Citizenship: (1) Except as provided in sub-section (2), if a citizen of Bangladesh
acquires a citizenship of any country other than a country that the Government of
Bangladesh do not recognize, shall retain his citizenship of Bangladesh.

http://www.lawcommissionbangladesh.org/reports/67.pdf

Offline Eleanor

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2019, 10:03:27 AM »
My youngest son was born in Singapore and is a Singapore Citizen.  I had to apply for permission to take him back to England, so now he is also a Nationalised British Subject by right of his mother.  He has every right to reside in Singapore if he wishes.

I don't know if Britain could have refused me.  Probably not.  Unless I was a Terrorist.

The point I am trying to make is that at this stage of the game Begum's son is not a British Subject.  He is Syrian.

Offline Brietta

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #96 on: February 21, 2019, 11:51:56 AM »
I think the reality is that just simply no-one wants her and until all the legalities are sorted out between the countries who do not want to allow her entry and residency she will be in a parlous situation for quite some time.

In the interim there is a duty of care owed towards her son ... not least by her.

She has already borne two other children who did not survive, the time and place of whose birth was entirely of her choosing.

So will she decide to keep her newborn as a moral bargaining chip ... or will she put the child first and make the attempt to get him away from from the alleged squalor of the refugee camp where she ended up.

She is not the only one from the sisterhood of the jihadi brides who embarked on their enterprise for love and adventure according to the narrative now desperate to get out.

I think they were as committed to Jihad as any of the male participants in the enterprise and as such present a real threat to homeland security on their return.

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As one scholar put it, the focus on jihadi brides makes the development of counter terrorism measures difficult because “women are often active participants in Islamic State operations rather than just vulnerable, young girls lured with the promise of romance.”

These challenges aside, the scope and size of the phenomenon is also something that has not been covered.
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Perhaps the most obvious is that the data utilized in this article does not allow the authors to paint a clear picture of what these women were doing in Syria, other than that they stayed at a guesthouse operated by the Islamic State.
https://ctc.usma.edu/jihadi-brides-examining-female-guesthouse-registry-islamic-states-caliphate/
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #97 on: February 21, 2019, 05:43:25 PM »
Is she entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship?
Expert lawyers with experience in Bangladeshi citizenship cases have told the BBC that under Bangladesh law, a UK national like Ms Begum, if born to a Bangladeshi parent, is automatically a Bangladeshi citizen. That means that such a person would have dual nationality.
If the person remains in the UK, their Bangladeshi citizenship remains in existence but dormant.
Under this "blood line" law, Bangladeshi nationality and citizenship lapse when a person reaches the age of 21, unless they make efforts to activate and retain it.
So, it is Ms Begum's age, 19, that is likely - in part - to have given Home Office lawyers and the home secretary reassurance there was a legal basis for stripping her of her UK citizenship

from the BBC website.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #98 on: February 21, 2019, 05:45:54 PM »
My youngest son was born in Singapore and is a Singapore Citizen.  I had to apply for permission to take him back to England, so now he is also a Nationalised British Subject by right of his mother.  He has every right to reside in Singapore if he wishes.

I don't know if Britain could have refused me.  Probably not.  Unless I was a Terrorist.

The point I am trying to make is that at this stage of the game Begum's son is not a British Subject.  He is Syrian.
Lucky him.  I was born in Singapore but as I understand it have no citizenship rights to reside there whatsoever.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2019, 06:01:53 PM »
Lucky him.  I was born in Singapore but as I understand it have no citizenship rights to reside there whatsoever.

It can depend on when and where in Singapore you were born.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #100 on: February 21, 2019, 06:08:48 PM »
It can depend on when and where in Singapore you were born.
Was he born in Gleneagles hospital? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #101 on: February 21, 2019, 06:19:20 PM »
Was he born in Gleneagles hospital?

No.  He was born in BMH in 1966.  But while BMH was still considered to be Singapore Island Territory.  BMH became British Territory some time later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #102 on: February 21, 2019, 06:24:45 PM »
No.  He was born in BMH in 1966.  But while BMH was still considered to be Singapore Island Territory.  BMH became British Territory some time later.
I don’t know what BMH means.  I think as I was born before Sept 1963 my parents could have applied for Singaporean citizenship for me but didn’t which is annoying.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #103 on: February 21, 2019, 06:28:18 PM »
I don’t know what BMH means.  I think as I was born before Sept 1963 my parents could have applied for Singaporean citizenship for me but didn’t which is annoying.

British Military Hospital.

Yes, it is a pity that your parents didn't apply.  It is probably the best Citizenship in the world.

Offline G-Unit

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #104 on: February 21, 2019, 06:34:32 PM »
British Military Hospital.

Yes, it is a pity that your parents didn't apply.  It is probably the best Citizenship in the world.

As I understand it the procedure was to register babies wth the local authorities and then with the British High Commission.
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